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“The biggest pet peeve, honestly–I don’t think anything is a close second–is when they have someone with a degree of power and authority on their show, and they make the conscious decision to kiss ass.” – Dave Zirin

Really excited for today’s Podcast About Sports Radio.  My guest is longtime columnist and SiriusXM Sports Radio host Dave Zirin.

I actually stumbled onto Dave just a couple of years ago after watching him spar on ESPN’s Outside The Lines with a couple of other well-respected sports writers and talkers.  I must have been the very last guy to find out who he was.

Oh, and on that day on Outside The Lines, I think I disagreed with nearly everything he said. However, I can’t even remember the topic of his appearance, which goes to show you that I didn’t really care whether he was right or wrong.  I just found his approach to sports interesting.

Since then, I’ve been following Dave’s work and I find his approach to sports topics very appealing.

As many people who have worked with me will tell you, I am far more interested in the psychology of sports (Dave calls it the “politics” of sports, which might be more accurate).  Don’t get me wrong, I’m interested in the X’s and O’s and “how” it happened.  But I’m far more interested in “why” it happened.  What might the people involved had been thinking.  What are they thinking now after the result of their actions?  What are the social repercussions? Dave goes even deeper. I love it.

Dave talks about his New York childhood and where his love of sports began and brings us to the present as well, including the evolution of the ever-polarizing Mike Francesa.

Check out more of the show notes below to get a feel for what you will hear in this edition of The PASR.

I hope you enjoy and, as always, leave a comment to get out anything that this podcast had you thinking along the way.

INSIDE THIS EPISODE…

  • Dave talks about how he got the bug for sports radio, listening to WFAN.
  • Dave describes his weekly show, “Edge of Sports: Where Sports And Politics Collide.”
  • Dave talks about the one topic that came to mind where everyone on the show was just the hottest.
  • Dave, a writer by trade, shares his story about how he first made the trek over to radio and the thrill it gave him.
  • Dave talks about how he curses writing, but loves the permanence of it, compared to radio.
  • Dave ponders who is great at sports talk radio today.
  • Dave talks about his annoyance with hosts that bow at the altar of interviewees with power and authority.
  • “If you really want to know if you have chains on, try to move.”
  • Dave wants sports radio hosts to look at it more as an “act of public good.”
  • Dave explains the appeal of Mike Francesa.

LINKS AND RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE…

FROM THE GUEST:

FROM ZACH:

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THANKS FOR LISTENING!

Thanks for joining me again this week. Have something you’d like to share with me or Dave? Leave a note in the comment section below!

If you enjoyed this episode, please share it using the social media buttons below.

Also, please leave an honest review for The Podcast About Sports Radio on iTunes! Ratings and reviews are extremely helpful and greatly appreciated! They do matter in the rankings of the show, and I read each and every one of them.

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BSM Podcast – Season 5 – Episode 3 – Chris Oliviero, Entercom New York

“Entercom New York Market Manager Chris Oliviero explains why he returned to the business, how he feels about the state of WFAN and a reunion with Craig Carton, and more!”

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After building a career as one of the sharpest programming executives in the radio industry, and leaving the business in the summer of 2018, many were surprised when Chris Oliviero was announced as the new Market Manager of Entercom New York in May 2020. On this episode, Chris tells Jason Barrett why he decided to return to the business, what he learned while on the outside, how he feels about the present and future of WFAN, where he stands on pursuing a reunion with Craig Carton, in addition to weighing in on a number of industry topics as well.

Additionally, Jason Barrett shares breaking news about a new venture being explored by his company which industry professionals will be interested in learning more about. Further details will be shared after Labor Day but the basics are passed along during the first minutes of the episode.

TOPICS COVERED WITH CHRIS:

  • When the deal to become Market Manager came together
  • What convinced him to return to the radio business
  • What he learned and missed about the industry while away from it
  • If local management is enough to satisfy his professional desires
  • Confidence level in WFAN; what the brand needs to do to enjoy future success
  • Planning for the day when Mark Chernoff rides off into the sunset
  • How interested he is in reuniting Craig Carton and WFAN
  • Why the mistakes of a few can’t take away from social media’s value to talent, brands, and the audience
  • If more radio companies will follow Saga & Townsquare’s lead and move away from Nielsen
  • The future of live and on-demand audio content
  • How sports betting will influence the way sports talk radio is presented in the next 5-10 years

FROM THE GUEST:

Connect with Chris on Linkedin: Chris Oliviero

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BSM Podcast – Season 5 – Episode 2 – Mike Greenberg, ESPN Radio

“Mike Greenberg chats with Jason Barrett about his new radio show ‘Greeny’ which debuts on ESPN Radio on Monday August 17th.”

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Mike Greenberg returns to ESPN Radio’s airwaves on Monday August 17th, taking over the 12p-2p ET timeslot, a change from his morning routine. Secure with a place in the NAB radio hall of fame, the lead chair on ESPN’s hit television program ‘Get Up‘, and 32,000+ hours of on-air broadcasting under his belt, some in Mike’s position would pass on the chance to increase their work load, and accept a new challenge, but that’s not how Greeny operates. In this conversation, Mike shares what interested him about returning to host a solo midday program, how content will be approached on the show, the method to his madness when it comes to interviewing and teasing, advice he’s passed on to the network’s new morning show, and more.

Additionally, BSM President Jason Barrett spends 5 minutes prior to the conversation sharing a few observations, opinions, and questions about ESPN Radio’s changes.

SUBJECTS COVERED WITH MIKE:

  • When he started thinking about returning to radio
  • Launching new shows and handling negative feedback
  • His vision and content approach for the new midday show
  • How social issues will be covered on the program
  • Winning over listeners who prefer local hosts
  • The way he approaches interviewing and teasing
  • Remembering Detroit sports radio host Jamie Samuelsen
  • The likelihood of football still being played in December

FROM THE GUEST:

Follow Mike on Twitter: @ESPNGreeny

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BSM Podcast – Season 5 – Episode 1 – Sam Savage, Outkick

“Sam explains his vision for Outkick, why he chose to invest in the brand, and shares some news on the company’s upcoming plans.”

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Sam Savage may not be the name you’re most familiar with if you follow Outkick, but he’s a huge part of the brand’s expansion in recent weeks. The longtime digital media executive recently invested in the company, joining forces with Clay Travis and Jason Whitlock, and on this episode he sheds some light on why he chose to invest in Outkick during a rough 2020, what his vision is for the brand’s future, why understanding technology is even more important than brand exposure on traditional media, and where he sees the company directing its focus in the near and distant future.

Additionally, the first 10-minutes include an opening commentary from BSM President Jason Barrett on the status of the Managing The Crisis podcast, the BSM Podcast’s seasonal approach, and the importance of hearing and welcoming different points of view, and providing second chances to those who make mistakes.

ISSUES DISCUSSED WITH SAM:

  • His background as a digital media executive
  • Why he chose to invest in Outkick during a rough 2020
  • The reason for shortening the Outkick name
  • Luring Jason Whitlock to Outkick from FS1
  • Whether adding Whitlock could create tension with FOX
  • If Outkick can survive and thrive without traditional media
  • Building systems and strategies to increase Outkick’s revenue
  • Dealing with potential advertiser issues due to activism
  • What separates successful digital media brands
  • Outkick’s future plans in the podcasting space
  • If the goal is to build & sell or be part of Outkick long term
  • Whether Shannon Terry, FOX or iHeart could become future partners
  • Which goals he’s set for Outkick’s next 6 months
  • If the brand plans to add more talent in the near future

FROM THE GUEST:

Sam’s Linkedin profile: Sam Savage 

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