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Randy Laffoon Has Been A Lucky Station Owner

“I felt like I bought a lot of advertising, so I could sell it. We’re better at it now than when we first started but it’s difficult. It’s not easy.”

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Owning a radio station requires you to wear a lot of different hats. There’s making sure the sales staff is functioning properly and being profitable. evaluating the on-air programming, managing egos, hiring new talent, paying bills, advertising, and installing social media strategies just to name a few. Oh, and all the while you’ve likely invested a huge amount of money and are hoping to recoup it.

Randy Laffoon started his venture as a sports radio station owner in 2009 after a successful run in the cell phone business. As a business owner, he used sports radio to advertise Norman Cellular, and found the listening audience to be very loyal. So when the opportunity presented itself, he purchased KREF SportsTalk 1400 in Norman, OK and began his journey into the sports radio business. 

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Laffoon just so happens to own the station I do my daily show at. It’s in a college town, but also 20 minutes away from Oklahoma City, so our station could be labeled as a small market brand, but with a nearby metropolitan area, it makes for an interesting discussion.  

“I’d say it’s more of a medium market,” said Laffoon. “It’s a little difficult, traffic wise, to get to Oklahoma City. We have a pretty loyal following and people that want to shop Norman. But it’s difficult because they say we’re too small to compete in Oklahoma City, yet anytime they want us to carry something out of Oklahoma City, the say, oh, you’re an Oklahoma City market station. So they use it against us and it makes it difficult.”

Though Laffoon didn’t have prior experience in radio before buying the station, he saw an upcoming trend that he believed would change the format. Along with that came an understanding that there was a difference between selling in retail, and selling sports radio. 

“I felt like radio was going to move towards the smart phone, which it has” said Laffoon. “But one of the shortcomings is that there’s only one source of income, which is advertising. So that was a little bit of difference from being in retail.”

As an owner of a station, time consumption is important. You can’t be in every office at once so you have to identify and figure out where your time is best spent. Laffoon is at the station every day and conducts most, if not all, of the meetings in the building. But with an owner that’s so hands-on, there still needs to be a decision on where to focus the majority of your energy.  

“From a programming standpoint, as you know, we leave you all alone,” said Laffoon. “For the most part, you guys do your thing. That comes from having good people who care about the product. I would say the one thing that surprised me was that I spent so little time on programming and it was because my time needed to be spent on selling advertising. I felt like I bought a lot of advertising before, so I could sell it (radio). We’re better at it now than when we first started but it’s difficult. It’s not easy.”

But how did Laffoon arrive at that decision?

“Based on your payroll you just see what it takes to survive,” Laffoon said. “When that number is as big as it is, because this is an expensive format, every time you hear a voice, if somebody’s talking, we’re paying to hear that voice. Whether it’s $10 an hour or $10,000 an hour, we’re paying to hear it. It was apparent to me, right out of the gate, I was going to spend the majority of my time selling. And that’s what I do.”

SportsTalk 1400 doesn’t subscribe to ratings. But that doesn’t stop Laffoon and his sales team from creating a healthy amount of revenue. They’re not selling a number, instead, they’ve found a replacement to make up for it. 

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“It’s all relationships,” Laffoon said. “It wasn’t rated when I used it for 18 years at my cell phone stores, but I knew people came in because of it because they’d tell me. People want to buy locally. If they understood Arbitron, the base word of Arbitron is arbitrary, so you have 800 diaries spread out across the metroplex. A Norman based business is not going to show up in certain instances, because you’re competing with all of Oklahoma City. You have to pay for that rating. For us it would be a losing proposition monetarily.”

For a host, it can be extremely beneficial when a station leans on selling with relationships. Whether it’s interacting with clients on social media, befriending them in public, or something as simple as taking an interest in their business. The salesperson may do all the work in landing the client, but the host can still put in the effort to help them retain the business. 

“At times we’ve had trouble getting people to promote businesses, because they don’t see it,” Laffoon said. “If you went on sales calls with me for a month you’d get it. They’d see that people do listen and they do care. They are paying for that and we’ve got to do a better job. If the host said every month, what could I do better to help everyone sell, it would make a difference. If I’m a small business owner and you’re mentioning me on the air, there’s no words to how good that makes me feel.”

Selling relationships and producing local content is a strategy that has worked well for Laffoon. If there’s a community event, he wants the station involved in some capacity. Maybe it’s promoting it on the air, doing a live remote, even something as simple as signage at the event can be enough. But nothing will be more ‘Norman’ than his radio station. 

That’s why investing so much in the two local high schools is so important to Laffoon. During football season, every game for both teams, home and away, is featured live on the main signal, 1400 AM, along with 98.5 FM, an alternate signal the station leases to a Spanish radio station. Every football game, select basketball, baseball and soccer games, as well as each matchup in every sport between the two high schools, is aired live on the radio and on an internet stream that features a scoreboard and play-by-play commentary. 

Laffoon has not only invested in strong coverage of local high school sports, he’s invested in the quality of the content. 

“First, it’s exclusive programming,” said Laffoon. “Second, I went through it with my kids and I know how much people enjoy it. I just think it’s one of those things that people find to be both local and community-wide. Plus, were the only people doing it. We have that exclusive content.”

Finding alternate sources of income is a goal of any station owner. For Laffoon, it came thru buying a local Norman publication Boyd Street Magazine. By doing so, he and his sales team can pitch an alternate option to a client, outside of radio ads. It gives the company the option to shift the client’s advertising money to print if they’re not interested in being featured on the radio station. It also gives the hosts of the station the freedom and creativity to have their sports stories featured in the magazine. 

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“I wish I would’ve diversified sooner,” Laffoon said. “When we bought Boyd Street magazine, it was to have an option, because you’re out there working and people are like, well, I don’t like sports. I don’t feel like my store fits in the sports market. They want to buy from you, they’d like to do business with you, but diversification factors into it. I wish I had done it sooner. I waited seven years.”

When hiring new talent, much like any station owner, Laffoon is very cognizant of people that will fit into the identity of his station. That’s critical. But above all, you better be able to talk about OU and the local sports in town. That may be a given, but Laffoon has built his station into one that’s very OU centric. 

“We want to be OU central,” said Laffoon. “Having people that enjoy that and have some connection to it. For years we had trouble getting that and then all of a sudden your morning show host becomes the Voice of the Sooners. Sometimes it’s just luck, which it was for us. But I also think we’ve hired some other really good people. They’re just so expensive when you’re paying for live broadcasts all throughout the day. You look around the country and see stations our size only do live programming during the morning drive and afternoon drive. They’re national radio in between. In this market, everyone that’s on the sports side, for the most part, is live all day. For us to compete, that’s what we feel like we really need to be.”

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Taking over any station can be stressful, especially considering all the high-and-lows that come with the first few years on the job. But managing those peaks and valleys are super important to anyone that manages and owns any station, no matter the market. 

“One of the things about small business is if you sell something on the way in, you’re driving in going, man this is great, I need to hire some more people, I really need to get after it, I need to advertise, you do all these things,” said Laffoon. “When you drive home and somebody cancels, you’re like, God, I need to get out of this. It’s a roller coaster. I have a lot of good thoughts though about needing to do more and expanding. For the most part, we’ve been blessed. We’re not getting wealthy, but we’re not getting killed, either. We’ve been really lucky over our tenure.”

10 years ago Laffoon saw the future of radio moving more towards smartphones and computers. So, 10 years later, will terrestrial numbers go down and online numbers go up? 

“If you’re a 100,000 watt FM station it doesn’t matter, because if you have the internet, you should be just as good as everybody else. I think before long you’ll dock your phone on your dash and that’s how listening will happen,” said Laffoon.

“But still, there’s a big future for radio. I look at David Griffin who owns Channel 9 and Channel 6 and just bought five radio stations in Tulsa. I think he’s a really smart man. I think he’s got one of the best companies in the state. If he’s investing in radio, he either knows something that I don’t, or maybe he knows what I know that there is a big future in this business. I certainly feel that there is. I’m sure he’s looking at TV with Hulu, Facebook, and others emerging and that’s a tough path for local television. Radio doesn’t have that interference right now and that’s a good thing.”

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Colorado Hiring Deion Sanders Will Be Constant Gift for College Football Media

“If Coach Prime achieves the same sort of success that he did with the Tigers, he will be far more than a curiosity. Sanders will be a disruptor.”

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Deion Sanders quickly made it clear why the University of Colorado chose him to be its next head football coach.

Coming off a weekend in which the four College Football Playoff teams were announced and all of the other bowl-eligible teams accepted their invitations, Colorado — which went 1-11 this past season — made news for hiring Sanders, the former NFL star who was phenomenally successful at Jackson State.

The media that covers college football and sports as a whole should be thrilled that the Buffaloes program decided to take a big leap for attention and notoriety. Sanders is a bold, risky hire. But he’s also been successful in virtually every venture he’s taken. “Primetime” had a Hall of Fame NFL career and also played Major League Baseball. And he’s a master at drawing attention to himself.

During his first meeting with his new team, Sanders made sure to mention that he has Louis Vuitton luggage to make the point that some of his Jackson State players are coming with him to Boulder — including his son, quarterback Shadeur Sanders. Nick Saban and Kirby Smart probably don’t cite luxury fashion when explaining to their players that they’ll have to compete for starting positions.

Coach Prime will not be boring to cover. (That self-appointed “Coach Prime” title, which was on his name plate at his introductory press conference, is a big clue there.) He never has been. This is a man who said during the 1989 NFL Draft, after being selected No. 5 overall by the Atlanta Falcons, that if the Detroit Lions had selected him at No. 3, he “would’ve asked for so much money, they’d have had to put me on layaway.”

Even if he doesn’t win as much as Colorado hopes, Sanders will pursue top talent — players who want to perform on a larger stage than the FCS-level Jackson State allows — and impact athletes will be attracted to him. He got the No. 1 recruit in the nation, cornerback and wide receiver Travis Hunter, to play for him. (Hunter is following his coach to Boulder.) Now that Sanders is at an FBS school in a Power 5 conference, more stars will surely come.

But if Coach Prime achieves the same sort of success that he did with the Tigers — going 27-5 in three seasons, including a 12-0 campaign in 2022 — he will be far more than a curiosity. Sanders will be a disruptor. And he’ll get the attention that such figures typically draw from media and fans. According to the Denver Post‘s Sean Keeler, at least 400 people attended what felt more like a celebration than a press conference.

Coach Prime wasn’t going to just win the press conference, which is what any school and fanbase want when a new coach is introduced.

If Colorado wanted someone to sit at a podium, and give platitudes like “We want to win the Pac-12 and get to the College Football Playoff,” “We’re going to build a program with young men you’ll be proud of,” or “It’s time to restore Colorado to the football glory we remember,” Sanders isn’t the guy for that.

“Do I look like a man that worries about anything? Did you see the way I walked in here? Did you see the swagger that was with me?” Sanders said during his introductory presser. “Worry? Baby, I am too blessed to be stressed. I have never been one for peer pressure. I put pressure on peers. I never wanted to worry, I make people worry. I don’t get down like that. I am too darn confident. That is my natural odor.”

To no surprise, Sanders announced his presence in Boulder with authority. He had cameras following him as he met with Colorado players for the first time. How many other coaches would have recorded what many would see as a private moment for posterity and post it online?

Sanders caused a stir by putting his players on notice. He warned them he was coming, telling them they’ll be pushed so hard they might quit. He told them to enter the transfer portal and go someplace else if they don’t like what he and his staff are going to do.

That candor, that brutal honesty surprised many fans and media when they saw it Monday morning. For some, that message might have felt too familiar. How many in media — or many other industries — have worried about their job status when a new boss takes over? What may have seemed secure days earlier is now uncertain.

But how do we know other coaches haven’t said something similar when taking over at a new job and addressing their team? We just hadn’t seen it before. But Sanders has been in the media. He knows social media. He understands controlling his own message and telling his story.

Sanders also knows what kind of value he brings to any venture he takes on. How many people would have left an NFL Network gig for Barstool Sports? But Sanders went to where his star would shine, where he was the main show, where he could be Deion Sanders. Maybe he’ll have to turn that down just a bit at Colorado. But athletic director Rick George knows who he hired.

Colorado could have made a safer choice, including previous head coaches Tom Herman, Bronco Mendenhall, or Gary Patterson. A top assistant from one of this year’s Playoff contenders — such as Georgia’s Todd Monken, USC’s Alex Grinch, Alabama’s Bill O’Brien, or Michigan’s Sherrone Moore — could also have been an option.

But what fun would that have been? What kind of tremor would Colorado have created in the college football news cycle? How much attention would a more conventional hire have received? Yes, Sanders has to recruit and win. However, if the objective was to make Colorado football a talking point again, that’s been accomplished.

There could be some friction too. Sanders has already been criticized for being a champion of HBCUs, only to bolt for a mainstream Power 5 program when the opportunity opened. (To be fair, other columnists have defended the move.)

At Jackson State, Sanders tried to control local media when he didn’t like how reporters were addressing him or covering a story. Last year during Southwestern Athletic Conference Media Day, he balked at a Clarion-Ledger reporter addressing him as “Deion,” not “Coach,” insisting that Nick Saban would’ve been shown that respect. Earlier this season, Sanders admonished a school broadcaster (and assistant athletic director) for speaking to him more formally on camera than he did off-camera.

Will that fly among Boulder and Denver media, or the national college football press? It’s difficult to imagine. Maybe Sanders will ease back on his efforts to control reporters within a larger university environment, metropolitan area, and media market. But we’re also talking about Deion Sanders here. He doesn’t bend to outside forces. He makes them bend to him.

Sanders’ stint in Boulder — whether it lasts the five years of his contract and beyond, or less than that — will not be dull. There could be no better gift for the media covering Colorado football. Or college football, a sport already full of bold personalities, eccentric to unhinged fanbases, and outsized expectations. Coach Prime will fit right in.

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The Media Is Finally Strong Enough To Take On The Rose Bowl

“The whole Rose Bowl organization is stuck in a black and white TV world. The future playoff is Marty McFly stepping out of a Delorean and the Rose Bowl is the Enchantment Under the Seas Dance.”

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I am a sucker for packaging. Take me to a grocery store and show me a uniquely packaged sauce or condiment or waffle syrup and I’ll give it a try just based on bottle size or design. The one packaging ploy that has vexed me is the “biggie size” at the local drive through. I’m always interested in the largest drink possible but don’t necessarily want a grain silo full of fries passed through my window. The College Football Playoff is going “biggie sized” in 2024 and I’ll take all of that I can get.

The College Football Playoff Committee made official last week what had long been speculated, that the four-team playoff field would increase to 12 teams starting with the 2024 season. This was an inevitable move for money and access reasons. The power conferences and Notre Dame stand to gain significantly in TV revenue and the “non-power” conferences finally get the consistent access they have long craved.

What may have finally pushed the new playoff over the finish line was the end of an ultimate game of chicken between college football powers and the Rose Bowl.

There is a scene from the movie The Hunt for Red October when the rogue Russian nuclear submarine is trying to avoid a torpedo from another Russian submarine. The American captain, aptly played by Scott Glenn, tells Jack Ryan; “The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch.”

The Rose Bowl finally flinched.

The only thing that delayed an earlier move to this new world was the insistence of the Rose Bowl Game to cling to the bygone era of the antiquated bowl system. Only in college football could an organization that runs a parade hold such outsized influence but, until recently, the Big Ten and PAC 12 gladly enabled their addiction to a specific television time slot.

Dan Wetzel is a Yahoo! Sports National Columnist, he also wrote the book Death to the BCS which laid out a very early argument for dumping the bowl system for a Playoff.

“The single hardest thing to explain to people is that the Rose Bowl and its obsession of having the sunset in the third quarter of its game was a serious impediment to a billion dollar playoff,” Wetzel wrote. 

Wetzel makes the point that simply moving the game up one hour would’ve helped the playoff TV schedule immensely, “They were adamant that they get to have an exclusive window on New Year’s Day, the best time of all, not only would they not give that up but they wouldn’t even move it an hour earlier (to help Playoff television scheduling) because then the sun would set at halftime.  It was so absurd but for a lot of years they got so much protection.”

We may never know what it was that finally forced the Rose Bowl to play ball with the rest of the college football world. There are many possibilities, not the least of which was the presence of SoFi Stadium just down the road. The College Football Playoff committee could have always taken the bold step of scheduling games at SoFi, in the Los Angeles market, opposite the Rose Bowl TV window to try to squeeze them out.

It is also possible the Rose Bowl scanned the landscape and realized that, if a 12-team playoff already existed, their 2023 game would’ve been Washington (10-2) versus Purdue (8-5). That shock of reality came with the understanding Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Utah and USC would enthusiastically choose a 12 team playoff bid over a Rose Bowl invite. That was the future the Rose Bowl faced with the departure of USC and UCLA to the Big Ten and the 12 team playoff gobbling up the top remaining PAC 12 teams.

I have proposed that theory to many people in the college football world and have received some version of this response from many of them: “They really wouldn’t care who is playing as long as they can still have their parade.”

That is one of the issues at play here; in many ways, the whole Rose Bowl organization is stuck in a black and white TV world. The future playoff is Marty McFly stepping out of a Delorean and the Rose Bowl is the Enchantment Under the Seas Dance.

One other possibility is that the television executives of the major networks, primarily FOX, may have put the pressure on the Big Ten and Pac 12 to have a little less interest in keeping college football stuck in the late 1970’s. It makes sense, FOX has nothing to gain by the Rose Bowl keeping influence. Fox may have everything to gain by getting a media rights cut of the future playoff. Many believe FOX was a driving force behind USC and UCLA bolting to the Big Ten. If that much is true, pressing for less Rose Bowl influence is child’s play.

No matter what was the catalyst to the expanded playoff, it worked and the fans benefited. College football is moving into a brave new world all because the college football powers finally stood up to the old man yelling at the clouds.

Turns out, it was all a game of chicken. And the Rose Bowl flinched.

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Andrew Perloff Learned From The Master of Sports Radio on Television

“I think I’m really lucky because I went from a really fun and supportive place in the Dan Patrick Show and have now transitioned into what I would also call a very fun and supportive place at CBS Sports Radio/Audacy.”

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It’s a fact of life that not everybody loves their job. To have a job that you love and have fun at is pretty special. For Andrew Perloff, life is good.

“I’m just watching so much sports during the week,” said Perloff. “I don’t come up for air watching sports and I love that.  And the fact that we get paid to sit on the couch for 72 hours…oh my God…it really is the best job in the world.”

That job is being the co-host of Maggie & Perloff weekdays from 3pm to 6pm eastern time on CBS Sports Radio and simulcast on CBS Sports Network. Perloff was an on-air personality on The Dan Patrick Show beginning in 2009 before making the switch to CBS Sports Radio for the new show with Maggie Gray that launched this past January.

And so far, the move has worked out.

“I’m really happy,” said Perloff. “I think I’m really lucky because I went from a really fun and supportive place in the Dan Patrick Show and have now transitioned into what I would also call a very fun and supportive place at CBS Sports Radio/Audacy. I miss the DP Show but I love my new co-workers. (Vice President of Programming) Spike Eskin and (New York Market President) Chris Oliviero have been great. We get a lot of support and a lot of help from those guys and they’ve made the transition so much easier.”

When a new radio program begins, chemistry between the hosts is vital to the success of the growth and success of the show. In the case of Maggie & Perloff, they had an existing friendship from their time working together at Sports Illustrated. 

And that relationship is certainly evident to the listeners.

“I’m having a great time with Maggie,” said Perloff who was an editor and contributing writer at Sports Illustrated and SI.com. “We knew each other pretty well at Sports Illustrated. We’ve been friends for a while now. I have gotten to know her a lot better through the show. It took a couple of months to really find our rhythm and get the show to where we wanted to get it.”

There has been a fun and evolving dynamic to the on and off-air chemistry between the hosts.  Perloff is from Philadelphia and a die-hard Eagles fan while Gray is a fan of the Buffalo Bills.  The Eagles have the best record in the NFC at 11-1 while the Bills are among the best teams in the AFC at 9-3.

Perloff has come to understand just how much Gray loves the Bills and there is a chance that their two teams could meet come February 12th in Arizona for Super Bowl LVII.

“She’s a very passionate Buffalo Bills fan,” said Perloff.  “I always knew that, but to actually sit there on a daily basis and see her sweat out every detail about the Buffalo Bills has been a lot of fun.  We’re keeping our fingers crossed that we’re on a collision course for the Super Bowl and we’re already trying to figure out a Super Bowl bet.”

The easy wager to set up would involve food.

If the Bills win, Perloff would have to give Gray some Philly cheesesteaks.

If the Eagles win, Gray would have to furnish Perloff with some Buffalo Wings.

But it appears as if management wants there to be more at stake for the potential bet.

“Our boss wants us to do something more severe,” said Perloff. “The truth is I’m an Eagles fan so I’ve already won my Super Bowl. Maggie, on the other hand, has no idea what that feels like. I almost feel sorry for her because it’s tough being a Bills fan.

“We have a pretty big rivalry with our team because she’s a Mets fan and I’m a Phillies fan. We get along great expect for those areas.”

The Maggie & Perloff chemistry extends throughout the show and that includes producer Michael Samtur who has his own rooting interests.

Samtur is a fan of the New York Jets who are having a better-than-expected season.

“When the Jets win, I don’t want to see Mike on Monday mornings because he’s smiling so much,” said Perloff. “He’s an unbelievably cynical Jets fan…it’s hysterically funny.

“Mike is doing a great job. It’s really an all-hands-on deck show. I think we all sort of kind of wear each other’s hats at certain times.”

An added element to the show is that it is also simulcast on CBS Sports Network. If there’s one thing that Perloff learned from working with Dan Patrick — who also has a simulcast on television — is that the program is a radio show that just happens to have cameras in the studio. At the end of the day, it’s a radio show on television and not a television show on the radio.

“That’s also my philosophy,” said Perloff. “From a logistical standpoint, to do a good radio show you can’t really focus on the TV side of it. For us, the foundation of the base is to really focus on the radio show and the TV and video comes naturally after that.”

Perloff’s resume also includes writing and co-writing an assortment of magazine stories, books, and television shows while also hosting his own weekend show on NBC Sports Radio from 2016 to 2019. But it was working on The Dan Patrick Show where he learned an important aspect of being a talk show host that he continues to live by at CBS Sports Radio.

What he learned was that you just have to be yourself.

“Dan always wanted us to be authentic in the sense that don’t try to be someone you’re not,” said Perloff. “Don’t try to come up with hot takes just for the sake of hot takes. When you listen to Dan Patrick on the radio, you’re really hearing Dan. He’s not a radically different person off air.”

This is a huge time of the year for sports radio. 

The NFL’s regular season is winding down and college football is heading towards bowl season and the College Football Playoff. Throw in the NBA, college basketball, NHL, and the World Cup and there’s so much going on in the sports world to talk about. 

Perloff can’t get enough of it.

“I love it so much,” said Perloff. “College football is just huge right now. When we bring up a college football story, the phone lines just light up which I think is a reflection of the growing interest in that sport. This is the best time of the year. It’s incredible.”

As Maggie & Perloff head towards their first anniversary on the air, there are goals and expectations heading into 2023. The show has grown tremendously over the course of the first year and while that may have occurred faster than expected, the hope is that the trend continues.

“I’ve been a little surprised by how fast the audience has grown and our connection with the audience,” said Perloff. “One of the great things about The Dan Patrick Show was the community feel with the show and all of the listeners. That’s definitely growing with us and I’d like to see that really take off next year. It makes it so much more fun when you’re doing the show and everybody is along for the ride.”

It’s been a great ride so far and it should be interesting to see what happens if that ride includes an Andrew Perloff vs Maggie Gray Super Bowl matchup in February. It’s not even because the breakdown of Eagles vs Bills would be fascinating but the audience wants more.

That Super Bowl bet would certainly be intriguing.   

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