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Bob Sturm Isn’t Trying to Replace Mike Rhyner

“I almost got to my 48th birthday without having to leave the noon to 3 o’clock slot, which is far and away the greatest lifestyle timeslot there is. Now I have to miss dinner a little more but there’s a lot of good in this.”

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It’s never easy to follow a legend. 

Phil Bengtson had to follow Vince Lombardi. Ray Perkins had to follow Bear Bryant. Tim Floyd had to follow Phil Jackson. And now in Dallas, Bob Sturm is trying to follow Mike Rhyner in afternoon drive at The Ticket.

Ok, maybe that’s a little overzealous of a comparison, but if there was ever a legend to be replaced in Dallas, it’s certainly the Old Grey Wolf. But Sturm isn’t overly concerned with trying to follow a legend.

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Does he realize the situation he’s in? Absolutely. But his main focus is continuing the excellent track record 1310 The Ticket has put out since its inception. He’ll help accomplish that by doing the one thing he can control: Being himself on the air.

Tyler McComas: So how would you evaluate the first six months of the show?

Bob Sturm: I think it’s gone pretty well. We weren’t bad to begin, but it was just so weird for all of us. It’s just, 20 years, man. You know everything about each other, you’ve heard all the stories and you know the body language and the likes and dislikes. Now, you scrap that and go in a whole new direction with someone that you don’t know their backstory as well.

Luckily I know Corby, but we had done very little radio together and therefore it was a rather new experience. I think we sound 1 million times smoother, already, but I realize but it took Dan and I like five years to not sound like we suck. Now, we were also in our mid-20s, so this experience will go a lot faster, but overall it’s been a fresh and new experience that I’ve really enjoyed.

TM: What was your initial reaction when Mike Rhyner retired? 

BS: I think it was a shock and a bummer when Mike was retiring. It was a head spinning moment in a sense that they wanted me to try and fill Mike’s chair, which is absurd. Also, to leave Dan McDowell who’s my best friend on the planet, because we’ve been through so much together since 1999, I didn’t want him to feel like I was breaking up the team. I also didn’t want Corby to not get the future of the show that he wanted, because I don’t think it was necessarily his first thought to just move me up there. I think he had to warm to the idea.

I really just didn’t want anyone to feel upset, but at the same time, I did want to step up and answer a challenge, especially if the bosses thought that was the key to making the station strong. They’ve been very good to me for a long, long time, which includes hiring me from market No. 166 in 1998. I kind of feel, for the most part, they’ve never really asked me to do anything near this big, in terms of me leaving my comfort zone. Look, nobody wanted Mike to retire and I kind of wish we could all stay the same age like Peter Pan and keep the lineup the same. But things evolve and this is how it works.

I almost got to my 48th birthday without having to leave the noon to 3 o’clock slot, which is far and away the greatest lifestyle timeslot there is. Now I have to miss dinner a little more but there’s a lot of good in this.

The only bad thing is risking leaving a show I think was great, for a show that’s unknown. The early results are good, although I think a lot of people miss Mike. That’s normal. I think it’s a really talented team here at The Ticket and I think you could do the pairings in many, many different ways and end up with good shows. I do think Corby and I will be doing some really good stuff. 

Also, let me just add this thought. I think it was important for us to get into the same location. So when Covid hit, we all did shows from our homes and some of the shows tried to figure out ways to get into the same location. Corby and I were in different locations for six weeks and the show probably sounded fine, but around April 20th we collectively said, let’s get you guys into the same room, you’ll still be 10 feet apart, or whatever. Now the verbal cues and the nonverbal cues, even the talks during the break, I think we’ve grown substantially in the last six weeks, since we got into the same room. I think that’s huge for two guys that are brand new together.

TM: Did you and Mike ever have a sit-down or a dinner where you talked exclusively about your new role with The Ticket?

BS: No, we’ve talked about a lot of things. Mike and I are quite friendly, but at the same time, we’ve talked about his path and my path in a more general term. He’s always been very complementary. He thinks I’m capable of some things beyond maybe Dallas mid-days. He would say things like that through the years. So he’s been so good to me, but we never really had a passing of the torch discussion.

I’d like to talk to him about certain things, including the name of the show, like, whether he’s totally cool with it because I respect him a ton. But we’ve never really broached that topic, because I get the sense he’s over it. He did it a long, long time and I think that’s one topic, where if he ever wanted to discuss it, that’s great. I don’t know if it’s my place to get too specific on that kind of stuff. I know that sounds evasive but we talk rather frequently still, we just don’t talk that much about the show, if that makes sense.

TM: You really entered into an incredible situation. You’re replacing a legend and during a time where sports radio has been flipped upside down. 

BS: Oh, absolutely. Then not to have any games to probably play to my strengths. Yeah, that wasn’t ideal but at the same time, being at The Ticket for as long as I have, maybe that prepared me. But it’s daunting, there’s no question about it. Replacing Mike is just ridiculous and that’s why I try to convince myself that I’m not replacing him. He’s a legend and I never try to replace him, but what I will try to do is play to my strengths, which absolutely will be to cover everything in the world of sports that I absolutely love so much and work hard. I don’t think anyone probably grinds harder than I do. I think I’m probably a workaholic and I think that generally would, hopefully, be seen in the way that I do a show in the afternoon.

It’s kind of surprising, since I worked here for so long, that there’s people that haven’t heard much of me. People are busy during the day and I guess I didn’t realize that. They were familiar with me, I guess, but not listening to me for several hours a day. I don’t know how big of a part of the audience that is, but I was shocked that I could do 5,000 shows and nearly 20,000 hours with Dan and yet a lot of real loyalist in Dallas to the sport scene, because they work for a living, they are kind of unfamiliar with a lot of what I have to say. In some ways it’s a new audience and in some ways at least I have the credibility that The Ticket family is pretty welcoming, for the most part.

The guy that follows the guy always has a hard job. It’s a big responsibility to make sure that this train keeps rolling down the tracks to the level of expectation they all set for us. That’s a lot to think about. I hope this move, not only this one, but the noon to 3 o’clock moves, I think it’ll really keep us going strong for a while but I guess that’s for the audience to decide.

TM: How has your writing positively affected your radio career? 

BS: I think writing has been great for me. First of all, it’s what I originally wanted to do before I discovered that I could talk for a living. I went to college to write and then found out that I got a little claustrophobic in the boundaries of writing, especially when you’re early in the game and they want you to write about the beats that nobody else wants to cover.

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I wanted to talk, because that meant I didn’t have to cover a high school volleyball game. With radio I could talk about the topics that I wanted to talk about, but then I circled back to writing because it’s so valuable to basically diary your thoughts. So when I started writing, I did it for an audience of one. I would start blogging but I didn’t make any money and I didn’t really have an audience. But I just thought I wanted to write my notes, so for each game that I watch, I want to write and read them out for two reasons: One, so I can remember while I’m on the air. Two, so I can remember in five years what I thought about current topics. For example, this is what you thought back then about Tony Romo. This is what you thought about Dirk Nowitzki. Now, here you are three years later, and you may feel differently now, but it’s a reminder to kind of own your positions.

So I think it’s great in terms of accountability. Writing also scratched an itch that radio didn’t scratch, because radio is about a mass audience. I’m talking about things that most of your audience is interested in whereas I think writing allows me to be a little more niche on what my topic is. I am very interested in the X’s and O’s and the mechanics of football. I realize that’s not for a super mass audience. It’s not fantasy football, it’s not something my mom or my wife or a whole lot of people would be interested in. You really have to love football to love what I write about.

TM: I recently heard you briefly talk about phone calls on a podcast. That brings me to this: What’s your radio pet peeve? 

BS: My pet peeve is probably radio people who don’t think or put a lot of thought into their opinions. Actually it’s more than just the TV audience these days with the network TV sports talk shows, I think they probably, and in defense of them, they’re probably spread so thin they can’t be experts on anything, so they kind of sound like they’re not experts on anything. I think that’s really bad for the audience and I think it makes the audience think that those opinions are something worth repeating or stealing and I think that’s a bad thing for our industry, because I was told that, at an early age, you have to be smarter than your audience or there’s no reason them to care what you say. The moment they think they know more about the topic than you do, I think that’s when you’re in big trouble.

My other one sounds bad to media people, because it sounds a little haughty, but I would say that it’s amazing to me how little the media really understands the sports they cover. I wish all of them would get as obsessive as some of us who get called nerds, because we really want to understand football or hockey or basketball at a level so the coaches and players are like, OK, this guy actually understands the game.

I don’t think that makes you a nerd. I think we should all try to dig deeper and really understand why coaches do what coaches do and why players do what players do. It’s not just watch the ball and if it crosses the goal line or goes in the hoop, then that equals good and if it doesn’t that equals bad. We should absolutely use the off-season to understand. And maybe even attend coaching clinics, just anything to feel like we’re educating ourselves on the mechanics of the sports so that we can help our audience also get smarter.

TM: So if you’re listening to radio outside of Dallas, who are you listening to?

BS: I would say Pat Kirwan on Sirius NFL Radio is the best and most influential voice I’ve ever heard in the game of football. He’s taught me so much. He does the show Moving The Chains. He used to host it with Tim Ryan, and now he does it with Jim Miller.

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I don’t know if he’s the most seasoned broadcaster ever, but man, in terms of being able to explain to an audience how football works in every aspect, I feel like he’s been the college professor for me.

Before that, Chad Coppock, Jim Rome, certainly the guys at The Fan in New York, there are a lot of guys over the years that have influenced me to the point of how I sound. When I got to the year 2000 and started working with Dan a lot, Dan kind of subconsciously inspired me to find my own voice and not sound like I’m a mishmash of the three or four guys I’ve listened to the most. That’s hard for young broadcasters to do, but I think once you’ve found your own voice and start sounding like yourself and not like an off brand Jim Rome or something, I think that’s probably when I really advanced as a talker.

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Colorado Hiring Deion Sanders Will Be Constant Gift for College Football Media

“If Coach Prime achieves the same sort of success that he did with the Tigers, he will be far more than a curiosity. Sanders will be a disruptor.”

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Deion Sanders quickly made it clear why the University of Colorado chose him to be its next head football coach.

Coming off a weekend in which the four College Football Playoff teams were announced and all of the other bowl-eligible teams accepted their invitations, Colorado — which went 1-11 this past season — made news for hiring Sanders, the former NFL star who was phenomenally successful at Jackson State.

The media that covers college football and sports as a whole should be thrilled that the Buffaloes program decided to take a big leap for attention and notoriety. Sanders is a bold, risky hire. But he’s also been successful in virtually every venture he’s taken. “Primetime” had a Hall of Fame NFL career and also played Major League Baseball. And he’s a master at drawing attention to himself.

During his first meeting with his new team, Sanders made sure to mention that he has Louis Vuitton luggage to make the point that some of his Jackson State players are coming with him to Boulder — including his son, quarterback Shadeur Sanders. Nick Saban and Kirby Smart probably don’t cite luxury fashion when explaining to their players that they’ll have to compete for starting positions.

Coach Prime will not be boring to cover. (That self-appointed “Coach Prime” title, which was on his name plate at his introductory press conference, is a big clue there.) He never has been. This is a man who said during the 1989 NFL Draft, after being selected No. 5 overall by the Atlanta Falcons, that if the Detroit Lions had selected him at No. 3, he “would’ve asked for so much money, they’d have had to put me on layaway.”

Even if he doesn’t win as much as Colorado hopes, Sanders will pursue top talent — players who want to perform on a larger stage than the FCS-level Jackson State allows — and impact athletes will be attracted to him. He got the No. 1 recruit in the nation, cornerback and wide receiver Travis Hunter, to play for him. (Hunter is following his coach to Boulder.) Now that Sanders is at an FBS school in a Power 5 conference, more stars will surely come.

But if Coach Prime achieves the same sort of success that he did with the Tigers — going 27-5 in three seasons, including a 12-0 campaign in 2022 — he will be far more than a curiosity. Sanders will be a disruptor. And he’ll get the attention that such figures typically draw from media and fans. According to the Denver Post‘s Sean Keeler, at least 400 people attended what felt more like a celebration than a press conference.

Coach Prime wasn’t going to just win the press conference, which is what any school and fanbase want when a new coach is introduced.

If Colorado wanted someone to sit at a podium, and give platitudes like “We want to win the Pac-12 and get to the College Football Playoff,” “We’re going to build a program with young men you’ll be proud of,” or “It’s time to restore Colorado to the football glory we remember,” Sanders isn’t the guy for that.

“Do I look like a man that worries about anything? Did you see the way I walked in here? Did you see the swagger that was with me?” Sanders said during his introductory presser. “Worry? Baby, I am too blessed to be stressed. I have never been one for peer pressure. I put pressure on peers. I never wanted to worry, I make people worry. I don’t get down like that. I am too darn confident. That is my natural odor.”

To no surprise, Sanders announced his presence in Boulder with authority. He had cameras following him as he met with Colorado players for the first time. How many other coaches would have recorded what many would see as a private moment for posterity and post it online?

Sanders caused a stir by putting his players on notice. He warned them he was coming, telling them they’ll be pushed so hard they might quit. He told them to enter the transfer portal and go someplace else if they don’t like what he and his staff are going to do.

That candor, that brutal honesty surprised many fans and media when they saw it Monday morning. For some, that message might have felt too familiar. How many in media — or many other industries — have worried about their job status when a new boss takes over? What may have seemed secure days earlier is now uncertain.

But how do we know other coaches haven’t said something similar when taking over at a new job and addressing their team? We just hadn’t seen it before. But Sanders has been in the media. He knows social media. He understands controlling his own message and telling his story.

Sanders also knows what kind of value he brings to any venture he takes on. How many people would have left an NFL Network gig for Barstool Sports? But Sanders went to where his star would shine, where he was the main show, where he could be Deion Sanders. Maybe he’ll have to turn that down just a bit at Colorado. But athletic director Rick George knows who he hired.

Colorado could have made a safer choice, including previous head coaches Tom Herman, Bronco Mendenhall, or Gary Patterson. A top assistant from one of this year’s Playoff contenders — such as Georgia’s Todd Monken, USC’s Alex Grinch, Alabama’s Bill O’Brien, or Michigan’s Sherrone Moore — could also have been an option.

But what fun would that have been? What kind of tremor would Colorado have created in the college football news cycle? How much attention would a more conventional hire have received? Yes, Sanders has to recruit and win. However, if the objective was to make Colorado football a talking point again, that’s been accomplished.

There could be some friction too. Sanders has already been criticized for being a champion of HBCUs, only to bolt for a mainstream Power 5 program when the opportunity opened. (To be fair, other columnists have defended the move.)

At Jackson State, Sanders tried to control local media when he didn’t like how reporters were addressing him or covering a story. Last year during Southwestern Athletic Conference Media Day, he balked at a Clarion-Ledger reporter addressing him as “Deion,” not “Coach,” insisting that Nick Saban would’ve been shown that respect. Earlier this season, Sanders admonished a school broadcaster (and assistant athletic director) for speaking to him more formally on camera than he did off-camera.

Will that fly among Boulder and Denver media, or the national college football press? It’s difficult to imagine. Maybe Sanders will ease back on his efforts to control reporters within a larger university environment, metropolitan area, and media market. But we’re also talking about Deion Sanders here. He doesn’t bend to outside forces. He makes them bend to him.

Sanders’ stint in Boulder — whether it lasts the five years of his contract and beyond, or less than that — will not be dull. There could be no better gift for the media covering Colorado football. Or college football, a sport already full of bold personalities, eccentric to unhinged fanbases, and outsized expectations. Coach Prime will fit right in.

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The Media Is Finally Strong Enough To Take On The Rose Bowl

“The whole Rose Bowl organization is stuck in a black and white TV world. The future playoff is Marty McFly stepping out of a Delorean and the Rose Bowl is the Enchantment Under the Seas Dance.”

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I am a sucker for packaging. Take me to a grocery store and show me a uniquely packaged sauce or condiment or waffle syrup and I’ll give it a try just based on bottle size or design. The one packaging ploy that has vexed me is the “biggie size” at the local drive through. I’m always interested in the largest drink possible but don’t necessarily want a grain silo full of fries passed through my window. The College Football Playoff is going “biggie sized” in 2024 and I’ll take all of that I can get.

The College Football Playoff Committee made official last week what had long been speculated, that the four-team playoff field would increase to 12 teams starting with the 2024 season. This was an inevitable move for money and access reasons. The power conferences and Notre Dame stand to gain significantly in TV revenue and the “non-power” conferences finally get the consistent access they have long craved.

What may have finally pushed the new playoff over the finish line was the end of an ultimate game of chicken between college football powers and the Rose Bowl.

There is a scene from the movie The Hunt for Red October when the rogue Russian nuclear submarine is trying to avoid a torpedo from another Russian submarine. The American captain, aptly played by Scott Glenn, tells Jack Ryan; “The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch.”

The Rose Bowl finally flinched.

The only thing that delayed an earlier move to this new world was the insistence of the Rose Bowl Game to cling to the bygone era of the antiquated bowl system. Only in college football could an organization that runs a parade hold such outsized influence but, until recently, the Big Ten and PAC 12 gladly enabled their addiction to a specific television time slot.

Dan Wetzel is a Yahoo! Sports National Columnist, he also wrote the book Death to the BCS which laid out a very early argument for dumping the bowl system for a Playoff.

“The single hardest thing to explain to people is that the Rose Bowl and its obsession of having the sunset in the third quarter of its game was a serious impediment to a billion dollar playoff,” Wetzel wrote. 

Wetzel makes the point that simply moving the game up one hour would’ve helped the playoff TV schedule immensely, “They were adamant that they get to have an exclusive window on New Year’s Day, the best time of all, not only would they not give that up but they wouldn’t even move it an hour earlier (to help Playoff television scheduling) because then the sun would set at halftime.  It was so absurd but for a lot of years they got so much protection.”

We may never know what it was that finally forced the Rose Bowl to play ball with the rest of the college football world. There are many possibilities, not the least of which was the presence of SoFi Stadium just down the road. The College Football Playoff committee could have always taken the bold step of scheduling games at SoFi, in the Los Angeles market, opposite the Rose Bowl TV window to try to squeeze them out.

It is also possible the Rose Bowl scanned the landscape and realized that, if a 12-team playoff already existed, their 2023 game would’ve been Washington (10-2) versus Purdue (8-5). That shock of reality came with the understanding Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Utah and USC would enthusiastically choose a 12 team playoff bid over a Rose Bowl invite. That was the future the Rose Bowl faced with the departure of USC and UCLA to the Big Ten and the 12 team playoff gobbling up the top remaining PAC 12 teams.

I have proposed that theory to many people in the college football world and have received some version of this response from many of them: “They really wouldn’t care who is playing as long as they can still have their parade.”

That is one of the issues at play here; in many ways, the whole Rose Bowl organization is stuck in a black and white TV world. The future playoff is Marty McFly stepping out of a Delorean and the Rose Bowl is the Enchantment Under the Seas Dance.

One other possibility is that the television executives of the major networks, primarily FOX, may have put the pressure on the Big Ten and Pac 12 to have a little less interest in keeping college football stuck in the late 1970’s. It makes sense, FOX has nothing to gain by the Rose Bowl keeping influence. Fox may have everything to gain by getting a media rights cut of the future playoff. Many believe FOX was a driving force behind USC and UCLA bolting to the Big Ten. If that much is true, pressing for less Rose Bowl influence is child’s play.

No matter what was the catalyst to the expanded playoff, it worked and the fans benefited. College football is moving into a brave new world all because the college football powers finally stood up to the old man yelling at the clouds.

Turns out, it was all a game of chicken. And the Rose Bowl flinched.

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Andrew Perloff Learned From The Master of Sports Radio on Television

“I think I’m really lucky because I went from a really fun and supportive place in the Dan Patrick Show and have now transitioned into what I would also call a very fun and supportive place at CBS Sports Radio/Audacy.”

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It’s a fact of life that not everybody loves their job. To have a job that you love and have fun at is pretty special. For Andrew Perloff, life is good.

“I’m just watching so much sports during the week,” said Perloff. “I don’t come up for air watching sports and I love that.  And the fact that we get paid to sit on the couch for 72 hours…oh my God…it really is the best job in the world.”

That job is being the co-host of Maggie & Perloff weekdays from 3pm to 6pm eastern time on CBS Sports Radio and simulcast on CBS Sports Network. Perloff was an on-air personality on The Dan Patrick Show beginning in 2009 before making the switch to CBS Sports Radio for the new show with Maggie Gray that launched this past January.

And so far, the move has worked out.

“I’m really happy,” said Perloff. “I think I’m really lucky because I went from a really fun and supportive place in the Dan Patrick Show and have now transitioned into what I would also call a very fun and supportive place at CBS Sports Radio/Audacy. I miss the DP Show but I love my new co-workers. (Vice President of Programming) Spike Eskin and (New York Market President) Chris Oliviero have been great. We get a lot of support and a lot of help from those guys and they’ve made the transition so much easier.”

When a new radio program begins, chemistry between the hosts is vital to the success of the growth and success of the show. In the case of Maggie & Perloff, they had an existing friendship from their time working together at Sports Illustrated. 

And that relationship is certainly evident to the listeners.

“I’m having a great time with Maggie,” said Perloff who was an editor and contributing writer at Sports Illustrated and “We knew each other pretty well at Sports Illustrated. We’ve been friends for a while now. I have gotten to know her a lot better through the show. It took a couple of months to really find our rhythm and get the show to where we wanted to get it.”

There has been a fun and evolving dynamic to the on and off-air chemistry between the hosts.  Perloff is from Philadelphia and a die-hard Eagles fan while Gray is a fan of the Buffalo Bills.  The Eagles have the best record in the NFC at 11-1 while the Bills are among the best teams in the AFC at 9-3.

Perloff has come to understand just how much Gray loves the Bills and there is a chance that their two teams could meet come February 12th in Arizona for Super Bowl LVII.

“She’s a very passionate Buffalo Bills fan,” said Perloff.  “I always knew that, but to actually sit there on a daily basis and see her sweat out every detail about the Buffalo Bills has been a lot of fun.  We’re keeping our fingers crossed that we’re on a collision course for the Super Bowl and we’re already trying to figure out a Super Bowl bet.”

The easy wager to set up would involve food.

If the Bills win, Perloff would have to give Gray some Philly cheesesteaks.

If the Eagles win, Gray would have to furnish Perloff with some Buffalo Wings.

But it appears as if management wants there to be more at stake for the potential bet.

“Our boss wants us to do something more severe,” said Perloff. “The truth is I’m an Eagles fan so I’ve already won my Super Bowl. Maggie, on the other hand, has no idea what that feels like. I almost feel sorry for her because it’s tough being a Bills fan.

“We have a pretty big rivalry with our team because she’s a Mets fan and I’m a Phillies fan. We get along great expect for those areas.”

The Maggie & Perloff chemistry extends throughout the show and that includes producer Michael Samtur who has his own rooting interests.

Samtur is a fan of the New York Jets who are having a better-than-expected season.

“When the Jets win, I don’t want to see Mike on Monday mornings because he’s smiling so much,” said Perloff. “He’s an unbelievably cynical Jets fan…it’s hysterically funny.

“Mike is doing a great job. It’s really an all-hands-on deck show. I think we all sort of kind of wear each other’s hats at certain times.”

An added element to the show is that it is also simulcast on CBS Sports Network. If there’s one thing that Perloff learned from working with Dan Patrick — who also has a simulcast on television — is that the program is a radio show that just happens to have cameras in the studio. At the end of the day, it’s a radio show on television and not a television show on the radio.

“That’s also my philosophy,” said Perloff. “From a logistical standpoint, to do a good radio show you can’t really focus on the TV side of it. For us, the foundation of the base is to really focus on the radio show and the TV and video comes naturally after that.”

Perloff’s resume also includes writing and co-writing an assortment of magazine stories, books, and television shows while also hosting his own weekend show on NBC Sports Radio from 2016 to 2019. But it was working on The Dan Patrick Show where he learned an important aspect of being a talk show host that he continues to live by at CBS Sports Radio.

What he learned was that you just have to be yourself.

“Dan always wanted us to be authentic in the sense that don’t try to be someone you’re not,” said Perloff. “Don’t try to come up with hot takes just for the sake of hot takes. When you listen to Dan Patrick on the radio, you’re really hearing Dan. He’s not a radically different person off air.”

This is a huge time of the year for sports radio. 

The NFL’s regular season is winding down and college football is heading towards bowl season and the College Football Playoff. Throw in the NBA, college basketball, NHL, and the World Cup and there’s so much going on in the sports world to talk about. 

Perloff can’t get enough of it.

“I love it so much,” said Perloff. “College football is just huge right now. When we bring up a college football story, the phone lines just light up which I think is a reflection of the growing interest in that sport. This is the best time of the year. It’s incredible.”

As Maggie & Perloff head towards their first anniversary on the air, there are goals and expectations heading into 2023. The show has grown tremendously over the course of the first year and while that may have occurred faster than expected, the hope is that the trend continues.

“I’ve been a little surprised by how fast the audience has grown and our connection with the audience,” said Perloff. “One of the great things about The Dan Patrick Show was the community feel with the show and all of the listeners. That’s definitely growing with us and I’d like to see that really take off next year. It makes it so much more fun when you’re doing the show and everybody is along for the ride.”

It’s been a great ride so far and it should be interesting to see what happens if that ride includes an Andrew Perloff vs Maggie Gray Super Bowl matchup in February. It’s not even because the breakdown of Eagles vs Bills would be fascinating but the audience wants more.

That Super Bowl bet would certainly be intriguing.   

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