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Eavesdropping: Nine 2 Noon With Kuhn

“Usually I advocate for callers, but I didn’t find myself missing them on Nine 2 Noon.”

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Nine 2 Noon with Kuhn is a nuts and bolts sports radio show where listeners know what they’re going to get on a daily basis. While some of the country’s most successful shows try to modernize, there’s certainly still room in the industry for a sports radio show that keeps its focus on sports.

97.3 The Game adds former Packers favorite John Kuhn to radio lineup

I was surprised and concerned during my first day of listening to the late morning show on Milwaukee’s 97.3 The Game. With former Packers fullback John Kuhn being featured in the title, I expected his voice to dominate the show. But after being greeted by the voice of station program director Tim Scott, followed by former University of Wisconsin basketball player Brian Butch, listeners quickly realize this show is a collaboration and not a game plan designed on only handing the ball to Kuhn.

The concern came early on in my month of eavesdropping when Scott lauded Kuhn for coming up with the idea of creating a weekly fantasy sports segment during the previous commercial break. It might have been an innovative idea 15 years ago, but fantasy is not a new revelation for sports fans. If a fantasy sports segment is as creative as the show gets, then I’d be in for a long month of listening as a dude from New York lacking affection for the intricacies of the Milwaukee sports scene.

But the show provides plenty of entertainment value, finding the right amount of fluidity, organization and listener interaction. Scott brings the traditional radio voice and inflection while playing the role of moderator, with John Kuhn and Brian Butch delivering heavy opinions and debate. The lesser organized segments feature the most interaction, breaking away from the feel of a roundtable discussion to include opinions from each host. All three voices sound very different, making it easy for a new listener to distinguish who’s talking.

The show itself might not feature diversity among its three hosts, but the content still includes diversity of thought. Personally, I’m a sucker for sports debates between one person focused on stats or analytics, and the other who prefers to let their eye be the judge. Butch and Kuhn regularly offered that dynamic in the last month, especially when it comes to judging Aaron Rodgers.

The crosstalk segments were solid, I enjoy the depiction of camaraderie between a station and its various shows. But if I had my own show, there would be days I’d prefer skipping the segment, not to risk having it take away from my opening monologue. An audience tunes into a show to hear opinion, with the best radio hosts containing appointment listening qualities. If Kuhn has a particularly hot sports take to share from last night’s Packers game, does he want to risk softening his opening monologue by first broaching the topic with Steve Czaban?

In general, crosstalk can be entertaining on an average sports day. Czaban usually picked unique questions to ask and didn’t demand the Nine 2 Noon hosts offer their thoughts on the day’s biggest story. But as a listener, if a host is passionate about a particularly polarizing topic, I want it to fester and build into a great open, not be lessened by crosstalk banter.

Green Bay Packers Talk Shows, a Fanbase and Media Obsession

There are a fair number of interviews on Nine 2 Noon. The concept of bringing an additional voice to the show wasn’t overused, but the content of the interviews felt outdated, which is common in sports radio. Few fans learn anything from sports radio interviews in the age of instant information. 15 years ago they provided a service, but now every piece of information and even opinion from a sports journalist is shared on Twitter immediately. Going on the radio to rehash their previous 24 hours of tweets is mostly unnecessary, especially for a show that already has three hosts.

An interview with someone of a unique perspective or story-telling ability can still be of benefit to the listener. Personally, I prefer conversations, not interviews intending to be informative because it’s rare that each host taking a turn to ask a journalist a question actually teaches anything, but good conversation and narration will always entertain.

While Nine 2 Noon is sports heavy, they still dive into outside topics and those never felt forced, a great sign for a less than six-month old show working to build chemistry. Whether it’s discussing Butch’s bad haircut (which I didn’t think looked that bad in the pictures), apartment stories, or the Fullback Dive Bar Review, Nine 2 Noon sounded genuine whenever they pushed the sports crutch aside for a segment.

The Fullback Dive Bar Review began as a monthly segment, but Nine 2 Noon has since bumped it to a weekly spot based on listener popularity. A play off Guy Fieri’s immensely successful Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives, the segment on Nine 2 Noon is great promotion for local bars, but it also helps the hosts to connect with the listeners. As the audience chimes in with their opinions of the dive bar being reviewed, or suggestions of other places to try, it’s a small way of increasing the communal aspect to a new show.

Most listener interaction comes from the text half of their “talk and text line,” but I know Milwaukee has plenty of radio callers, because I’ve heard them on rival station The Fan. Usually I advocate for callers, but I didn’t find myself missing them on Nine 2 Noon. With three hosts, a producer, Armen Saryan who regularly chimes in, crosstalk and interviews – finding additional voices and contributors didn’t seem necessary.

Using the iHeartRadio app for the Nine 2 Noon podcast and staring at a show labeled with a one-liner, followed by “127 min,” the duration and commitment can seem daunting. But they do mix in at least one short podcast each day as downloadable content to highlight a particularly good conversation or segment. Credit to the producer for posting some of those shorts while Nine 2 Noon is still on-air which acted as a draw, because if the 15 minute podcast caught my eye and ear, I’d tune in to the live show.

Former Packers star John Kuhn starts midday show at WRNW-FM, The Game

My own preconceived notion of Milwaukee radio is that it’s all Packers all the time. Add the show title featuring the name of a near 10-year Packers veteran and my expectation for this being a football dominant show only grew. And while the Packers are certainly topic 1 and 1A in September, the Milwaukee sports fan’s appetite for the Bucks, Brewers and other local points of interest still gets served. With Kuhn’s football knowledge, Butch having a great eye for basketball, and all three hosts featuring extensive radio experience, listeners receive a very balanced attack from Nine 2 Noon

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Covid Is A Convenient Excuse For Lowering Our Standards

“I am sick of hearing lag and noticeably different levels of soundproofing between two hosts on the same show.”

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I was probably four hours deep into my all-day football binge on Saturday when I started to think about the overall quality of what I was seeing. This isn’t a column about whether college football is secretly better than the NFL. This is about our industry.

While you may not notice a difference in the presentation on CBS’s top line SEC broadcast or on FOX’s Big Noon Saturday game, it is clear how few resources are being allocated to some of the games further down the networks’ priority list. ESPN doesn’t even send live broadcasters to its Thursday night college football game for instance.

Ohio State football broadcasts go remote amid COVID-19 restrictions
Courtesy: WBNS Radio

Covid-19 was the beginning of this. It forced every business in the broadcast industry to re-evaluate budgets and figure out how to do games when travel and the traditional set up of broadcast booths simply were not on the table.

This isn’t a problem limited to game coverage either. Plenty of hosts still are not back in their radio studio. Plenty of guests on ESPN’s and FS1’s mid day debate shows are still appearing via Skype and Zoom connections. It is as if we have started counting on our audience not expecting quality any more.

I want to be perfectly clear. I get that this pandemic isn’t over. I get that in many cases, networks and stations are trying to avoid overcrowding studios and in some cases, make accommodations for top-level talent that refuse to get vaccinated. “It’s survival mode,” is the answer from corporate.

Do we still need to be in survival mode though? We are 18 months into this pandemic. The majority of Americans are vaccinated. The ones who aren’t are actively making a choice not to do what they need to in order to put on the best possible show they can.

I am sick of hearing lag and noticeably different levels of soundproofing between two hosts on the same show. I am sick of seeing hosts on crystal clear HD cameras in a high tech studio talk to someone on a dirty webcam that can’t be bothered to even put in headphones so they don’t sound like they are shouting down a hallway.

A good example is the late Highly Questionable. I really liked that show when it was done in studio. I liked a lot of the ESPN talent that popped up on the show even after Dan Le Batard left. I couldn’t watch any more of the show than the two minute clips that would show up on Twitter. I didn’t want to see Bomani Jones behind a giant podcast mic. The low res camera that turned Mina Kimes’s house plant into a green blob gave me a headache. The complete disregard for quality made a decent show hard to watch.

Highly Questionable 4/12/21 - Changing History? - YouTube
Courtesy: ESPN

There was a time when the accommodations we made for Covid-19 were totally necessary. Bosses and broadcasters did whatever they had to to get a show or a game on the air. At this point, I am starting to wonder how much of the concessions are necessary and how much are the result of executives that “good enough” is the new standard.

It is totally reasonable to argue that in an age where microphones and editing software are cheap, slick production doesn’t carry the weight it once did. That is true for the podcasters and TikTokers that are creating content in spare bedrooms and home offices. If you’re ESPN or FOX or SirusXM, that slick production is what sells the idea that your content is better than what people can make at home on their own.

It’s soundproof studios, 4K cameras and futuristic graphics packages that make the standard setters in the industry special. Maybe your average Joe Six-Pack can’t put it into words. He just knows that a lot of home-produced content sounds and looks like play time compared to what he sees or hears on a network.

Sure, the anchors are the signature of SportsCenter’s heyday, but it was the stage managers, producers, and other behind-the-scenes staff doing their jobs that really made the show thrive. Those people cost money. The details they took care of may be something 90% of viewers will never notice. They will just know that they are watching a really good show. Those difference makers cannot do their jobs to the best of their abilities if everyone is being piped in from a different FaceTime feed.

In the early days of the Covid-19 pandemic we did whatever we had to. As broadcasters, we made compromises. As an audience, we accepted compromises. We were desperate for familiar entertainment and if Zoom is what it took to get it, that was just fine. There was no cure, no vaccine, things were scary and we were all anxious not knowing how long it would all last.

Anxiety and Depression From COVID-19 – San Diego – Sharp Health News
Courtesy: Nuthawut Somsuk

More than 18 months later, things may not be back to normal, but we are considerably less desperate. There are signs of normalcy in the world. Make the commitment to bring back the standard that won you so many fans in the first place.

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If Netflix Wants Live Sports, F1 May Be Just The Beginning

“Netflix will shrewdly need to continue to rethink its strategy because its first-mover advantage and long-time industry leading dominance is no longer guaranteed.”

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In the past, Hollywood dealmakers and stockbrokers wondered whether another studio or streamer would catch Netflix.  Its dominance stemmed from being a first-mover and not having a serious competitor until Amazon and Disney ten or more years after their launch.  However, Netflix would eventually have to compete for content, original and licensed, other platforms that offered less expansive ad-based options, and additional content like live sports or a very popular series or movie premiere.  

Arguably, the pandemic accelerated the move to digital and it allowed competitors to gain subscribers because people were spending more time at home.  More subscribers and additional streaming options for consumers has not caused Netflix to faulter, but it has caused Netflix to rethink its sports strategy.  For years, Netflix was dead set again streaming live sports because of their cost and commercials—Netflix does not have advertisements on its platform currently.  

A sports fan's guide to Netflix, Hulu, YouTube & more after coronavirus  cancels live games | Sporting News
Courtesy: Sporting News/Getty

Netflix’s popular Drive to Survive docuseries about the Formula 1 (or “F1”) racing circuit, which was renewed for a fourth season, and the Michael Jordan/Chicago Bulls The Last Dance represents a golden era and renaissance of sports documentaries.  As much as fans of feature films and television series enjoy learning about actors during and off camera they similarly want to know about sports stars, their coaches, and franchises.  In other words, the business of sports is booming in valuation and behind-the-scenes content.  

Recently, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings stated that the popularity of Drive to Survive has caused the company to rethink its stance on purchasing live sports content.  The broadcast and streaming rights to Formula 1 will become available via ESPN and Sky Sports in 2022 and 2024.  Netflix, will have some competition to secure F1 rights, which will drive up the cost.  It was also reported by Front Office Sports that the Netflix CEO would require a level of exclusivity for sports rights that other platforms do not normally require.  The exclusivity is likely required because Netflix will want to justify the purchase price and to keep-in-line with what Netflix customers expect—exclusive content on the platform.  

With Premier League club Manchester United looking to secure a broadcast deal for selling its rights outside of the traditional league format, it might be the perfect acquisition for Netflix.  An exclusive team vs. an entire league would also be less expensive and more targeted.  One aspect of uncertainty for all streamers is their subscribers overseas, particularly in untapped China.  The international market is far from settled or established.  Netflix also has a large operation in India so possibly cricket via the Indian Premier League (“IPL”) could be a rights purchase to consider.

In 2018, the original content on Netflix only accounted for 8%.  This means that 92% of the content on the platform just a few years ago was all owned (at least partially) by someone else.  That statistic has changed because Disney+, Paramount+, Peacock, HBO Max, Apple+, and many others have since been created and stocked or restocked with content.  Controlling interest in Hulu was even purchased from FOX by Disney.  Disney and Amazon now both rival Netflix in terms of subscribers.  Netflix will shrewdly need to continue to rethink its strategy because its first-mover advantage and long-time industry leading dominance is no longer guaranteed.  

As Comcast-owned NBCUniversal CEO Brian Roberts recently said, purchasing sports rights can be difficult.  Sports rights are expensive.  Exclusive sports rights are even more expensive.  Sports rights only become available every five to ten years.  Networks and streamers are highly competitive to secure those rights with the hope of landing viewers, subscribers, and advertising dollars.  

Will Netflix get into sports rights bidding?  In the past, the digital entertainment giant has been steadfast is its non-sports approach.  However, the market has changed and is flooded with more competitors now.  Netflix has to change to meet its customer and the market needs.  

Formula 1 presents an interesting scenario for Netflix as a buyer and partner.  F1 is a popular league internationally and growing in the United States.  Two new F1 races in Miami, Florida, and Austin, Texas, in addition to season four of the Drive to Survive Netflix series are sure to drive traffic, pun intended, and interest in the racing sport.  

Formula 1: Drive to Survive Season 3 Netflix Docuseries
Courtesy: Netflix

Formula 1 is a sports league that will cost less to purchase streaming rights than a traditional American “Big 4” like the NBA, NFL, or MLB.  Formula 1’s structure is also centered at the top so it would be easier to make an exclusive deal that Netflix seeks.  The remaining questions being, will Netflix pursue Formula 1 sports rights to increase its streaming platform subscribers and compete with others?  Second, will Netflix be the first to offer commercial free live sports programming—for a premium price—or offer in-screen ads and additional during-break inside looks, content, and analysis?  Or will Netflix act more like a traditional broadcaster and offer advertisements to pay down its purchase price?  One will know more after a few laps around the sun.

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Manningcast Is Best Experienced As A Fan, Not As A Broadcaster

“I still would’ve watched the game had the alternate not been available, but with the Manning breakdown of each play, I was watching an otherwise meaningless game on the edge of my seat.”

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Much has been written on this site already about the ESPN alternative to a traditional Monday Night Football broadcast, the Manningcast. Andy Masur asked if it worked and questioned the network pulling its audience in two different directions. Mark Madden said the concept undoubtedly works, but the content is poor.

Both articles are good reads. Both provide another level of insight from those in the industry and how they view this unique/high-profile concept. Industry views provide solid insight to the success and quality of the show itself, what works – what doesn’t. But if we can’t sit back and take our industry glasses off, and just look at this broadcast as sports fans, I feel we’ll never see it in clear view. 

NFL Week 1 Monday Night Football, Peyton Manning ratings - Sports  Illustrated
Courtesy: ESPN

I’ll admit, for me, it took me no more than 5 minutes of watching week 1’s Ravens vs Raiders game to say “yeah, this isn’t meant for me”. I didn’t like the non-traditional approach of the broadcast, it felt like it lacked the energy of a traditional sportscast. The stadium volume was turned way down, the excitement was more in the conversation they were having with each other, rather than the game itself. It took me out of the moment of the game, rather than allowing me to get sucked in.

Now, in fairness, I kind of went into it with a narrow mind, thinking that would be the case. I am not someone who has the desire to flip around during the College Football Playoff broadcasts and catch the coaches corner or studio chatter, I want the game. 

Bottom line is, I hated the Manningcast when I watched it in Week 1. I even went on the air the next day and trolled members of my audience that were effusive in their praise of it. In the limited sample I provided for myself, I had come to the conclusion that this broadcast wasn’t made for REAL football fans (insert caveman sound effect here) and that only the most casual viewer would want to watch this SNL wanna be of a football broadcast. 

However, week 2, I decided I was going to be more open minded to it. I made it a point to break away from the traditional Packers vs Lions broadcast and watch the Manningcast, no matter how painful. I was completely wrong in my initial opinion.

Was Peyton Manning wearing a helmet and acting a little too zany for my taste in week 1? Yes. Is the guest connection quality well below what we should find acceptable in broadcasting? Yes. But that’s where I made the mistake. I was looking at this broadcast through the eyes of a broadcaster and not as a sports fan. 

Peyton Manning’s charisma jumps off the screen, he is elite at describing what he sees on the field in a way that no one else can. Eli can be a little dry, but he’s low key funny. And they have real chemistry together, as they should. They are family after all.

The thing that hooked me the most was just how invested Peyton was in the plays on the field, he really gets into the game, truly invested in the success and failure of the quarterbacks. There was a moment in week 2 when Jared Goff threw the ball to an empty patch of grass 15 yards down the field and was subsequently called for intentional grounding. You could see Goff yelling at the referee, pleading his case. Peyton surmised, probably accurately, that Goff was telling the ref that the ball was thrown to the right place and that its not his fault the receiver didn’t run the correct route. Peyton then carried on and told stories of when this type of thing would happen to him when he played for Indianapolis and Denver. I was hooked. 

I realized that I was far more invested in week 1 as a stand alone football game, I’m from Baltimore, I have a lot of love for the Ravens. Being invested in the game itself doesn’t lend as much flexibility. As a fan, you to want to hear about anything else but the action on the field. However, when watching two teams that I have no personal interest in, the Manning broadcast took on this new life. It created a level of interest for me as a REAL football fan that I otherwise would not have had. I still would’ve watched the game had the alternate not been available, but with the Manning breakdown of each play, I was watching an otherwise meaningless game on the edge of my seat. I felt like I had a front row view to a football clinic, held by two of the most accomplished players in league history. 

Best of former NFL punter Pat McAfee with Manning bros on 'MNF' | Week 2
Courtesy: ESPN

Personally, I could live without the guests. I am not as entertained by the back and forth with Rob Gronksowski or Pat McAfee as it seems the majority of social media is, but the Manningcast does a brilliant job of bridging the gap between the hardcore football fan and the casual observer. It’s an absolute hit and I’ll be locked in for the next one.   

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