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INTERVIEW: Dr. Carol Swain

BNM’s Chrissy Paradis in a one-on-one interview with Dr. Carol Swain.

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Last week, BNM’s Chrissy Paradis introduced you to Dr. Carol Swain, one of the most trusted and respected conservative voices out there.

This week, Paradis and Dr. Swain spoke in a one-on-one interview in Part 2.

Here is the transcript of that interview:

CP: How did you make the choice to pursue academia when making the choice regarding your career path?

CS: Well, I anticipated that I would become a University professor or choose academia for a career. When I did get into college, and the job market. I was only interested in being prepared to get a well paying job and at that time I had set my ambitions on becoming a store manager at a boutique in the mall. I just assumed that I would manage a store at a mall. Growing up as a child. I can tell you that of the 12 children, my mother would say that I was the most serious. I can remember always having this unresolved tension from a feeling that there was something I was supposed to do. I never felt I fit in with my family. I was very, very shy—so shy that I would literally forget how to speak. I could be wanting, needing, something, you know, asking for a piece of bread or something and I would just be frozen. Do you know that expression ‘cat got your tongue’.. I was like a live version of cat got your tongue because if there were times when I just couldn’t formulate words, but my mother said that, I was kind of skittish—that I used to hide behind in fear of people. I don’t know why but I felt as if I had been dropped out of space. Becoming a University professor and the person I am today, that’s not something that I sat down one day and said, ‘oh, I want to become a professor, I’m going to have this media platform.’ That was the furthest thing from my mind.’

CS: I was a work study student with 10 hours, but the regular employees would not show up and they would have a crisis, and I would work nights, or weekends or whenever they had a crisis. So, the director of the library created a full-time job for me nights and weekends 40 hours a week, and I hit that job while I was getting my Bachelor’s Degree. I went to school during the day and I went to the library at night to work circulation. It was a job where there were not a lot of people using the library, I was in the library, I could bring my children there and was surrounded by all those books. That’s when I first realized that I could write a book. I looked at all those books and I realized that if those people could write a book, then I could write a book, too.

CP: And not just one book, but many successful books. You also went on to be a guest analyst or panelist for network television news, networks on both sides of the political spectrum. How did that come to fruition?

CS: I spent my life being very very shy, having the Christian conversion experience in 1999. And I felt that God removed my fear of public speaking and He impressed on my mind He’d given me a message bigger than me and that I should focus on pleasing Him in the message which enabled me to speak. So then that’s when I started doing media, and here I am today. But it started back then, God just totally lifted the fear off me.

CP: Wow. What an incredible Journey and powerful story to be able to share, and inspire and empower others.

CS: God has empowered me in ways that I never imagined and he’s taken away my fear, not only public speaking, but my fear of death. That’s why I can be bold, is because I believe God has called me to speak truth. And that’s where but the consequences to myself. That’s why I can do what I do and I think ‘how did I end up at Princeton?’ or ‘how did these things happen?’ God put certain people in my path. All kinds of people. But, at the end of the day, I feel like God elevated me to the position, and gave me the platform. And I was not even called into the Kingdom to be saved and to be a follower of Jesus Christ, until after I had been tenured at Princeton, after I had won National prizes and after I had made a splash. Then He put into motion circumstances that led to my conversion. So, the people that want to discount me or call me all sorts of names, it’s a little bit more difficult because I had their Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, and they say ‘Oh, she used to be a great scholar’ but she lost her mind, I say that because they’re the ones that gave me the awards and the prizes in general.

CP: When did that transition from Democrat to becoming more conservative and ultimately Republican begin?

CS: When I became a Christian, I gradually became more conservative, because I was a Democrat when I had my conversion experience. But, as I grew in my faith, I became more and more conservative. As I became more conservative and I started speaking out, that’s when the political left came against me. So, I would not have been tenured, won prizes, or be who I am if I had been a Christian, publically, I believe, back during the time when I was working very hard, you know to make my mark.

CP: So it’s safe to say you’ve always valued hard work?

CS: I’ve always believed, you know, in America. I’ve always been proud to be an American and I always believed that you worked hard enough that you could overcome the circumstances of your birth, and I’ve never viewed myself as handicapped because black or female, or born in poverty; never have viewed those as handicaps. I think, had I seen myself as handicapped, maybe I would not have worked as hard.

CP: You certainly have led an incredible life. As far as your role now, what message is most important to share with other Americans and how do you go about delivering that message?

CS: I believe in what I’m doing in this mission, and I believe that the American people need to awaken. And that they need to realize that our Constitution is all we have and then we stray so far from it, American will not exist. And so, those are the things that really motivate me and propel me forward. I try not to attack people. But, I try not to be ugly.

CP: I know that you’re using your voice, more than ever, with your podcast and recently, how well-received the Prager U piece and interview on Candace Owens’ show were. There have been so many positive reactions and it seemed so genuinely enjoyable for both yourself Candace.

CS: That was the first time I had anything more than an extended conversation with her. The one released on January 11, ‘Let Me Teach You About Racism’ that one got 2.3 million views very quickly, within seven days, but it got stuck at 2.3 million, the last time I looked.

That video, with Candace has million views and if you total up all my Prager work, which includes my individual videos and interviews on Prager U and shows like Candace’s, close to about 70 million people have seen me at some point. I’m speaking about issues that a number of people think are important.

CP: And you are doing the podcast now, are you enjoyIng it?

CS: I do enjoy it. And the interview is a different time of years. I mean, I’m interviewing more young people. I’m going to be interviewing an actress, Samarie Armstrong, who was under fire a few months ago. She got in trouble because she stood up for America. But, I believe I’m making a difference through my podcast, and with my show conversation. And if I was on a network, I would be concerned about getting canceled, because I had offended someone. And so, I’m building my own brand, slowly. I’m in control of it. But of course, like Twitter, particularly, Facebook could take me off, YouTube could take me out. I’m on the other platforms. I’m very much aware that we live in a time where when you speak in truth, you’re going to offend people and there’s a cost to pay. But I’ve never been tempted to get off YouTube, Facebook or Twitter because they might take me off. I don’t want to just speak to people who agree with me. I think it’s more important to reach a broader audience and it’s okay if trolls follow me, and as long as they’re not attacking me, I will respond to them when I can. I just want the dialogue.

CP: Absolutely. The ability to have the conversations that people may disagree with but tactfully without attacking those who may have a differing opinion from yours. I did want to ask about the impact that Lou Dobbs and Don Imus, either deliberately or unknowingly, had on your professional journey with the media. One of the more pivotal moments having to do with Imus. Being that it was such a significant time in your career, I wanted to ask about your experience with his program and eventually, becoming a returning panelist on network news..

CS: I had met Lou Dobbs at Vanderbilt, maybe two or three weeks before the Imus story broke, about his comment about the women’s basketball team. At the time, I had a new book, this was 2007, it was on immigration. So, I was hoping that I would be Lou Dobbs’ show about to speak about my book, but when I got the phone call from his bookers, they said, ‘Mr. Dobbs wanted us to call you about the Don Imus story. And at the time, I had almost no television experience, when they asked me about the story, and what I said, it really went viral. I said that as a black woman, I was more offended by the rappers degrading women all the time, and actually felt like because they were doing it, that Imus felt like he could do the same thing. But, I believe I was the first person to draw parallels to the rappers and how they continually degraded women. After that, Lou Dobbs, himself, called me and he told me that he wanted me to be a regular and that he was going to give me a megaphone for my voice. And I eventually became a paid contributor to CNN Lou Dobbs. That lasted for a couple of years. I was totally inexperienced, but what I did say resonated with the public, and it got picked up and, and at that time, I drew attention to the culture of rappers how they degraded black women.

CS: I was totally inexperienced at the time and I think that, you know, TV will stand by and want you to go fast, fast, fast. But more recently, I’ve been on some shows where you have more time to develop more challenging ideas. But, I don’t just want to spout off, I really want to think about what I’m saying and what it means. But, I also believe, if I have this platform, there are things that need to be spoken. What I say resonates with people, because some of them may have had the same thoughts, but they didn’t know how to express it. And so when I say it, then that’s like, it’s an aha moment for a lot of people and it crystallizes what other people feel and what they’re thinking. A lot of times, it’s not the deep gray and things I’m saying it’s more of, I can look at something that everyone’s been looking at, and I can call it out for what it is, and then they recognize that I’m right and that resonates with them.

CP: I mean, that sounds like it’s your gift?

CS: I do believe I have a prophetic gifting. I’m able to see things before other people. So I recognize that about myself. But I know that God gave me this platform, and then I’m answering the call to speak and not worrying about the consequences, because if I’m worried about the consequences. So, I have to trust the process. I have had a few opportunities. I believe that if there’s something I’m supposed to speak on, the opportunities will come.

CP: Well, that groundedness has to provide a lot of comfort, because that is not exactly the norm in this industry. It is what makes you so stand out so much and sparkle because you do genuinely think about everything. Words have repercussions and consequences and there are messages that you don’t want that attached to your name. I think a lot of people fail to be deliberate with their words or comprehend the magnitude of what they do say.

CS: I think when a person like me has a platform, they have a responsibility to think about the implications of what they want to do and say, and this weighs on me with the media. There are some books I need to write and I want to have a more lasting impact. For me, I’m always thinking ‘okay, how can I balance what I’m doing?’ I’m currently doing my podcast, my internet TV show and I do think about radio. But, when it comes to meeting with people, and the media interviews and all these things like that, I need to carve out time that I can write, I can rest, I can exercise. I feel like my life is not always as balanced as it could be and should be. So, I’m approaching the season where I want to be able to spend more time writing, thinking and maybe relaxing.

CP: Well you’ve definitely been busy and I appreciate you giving me so much of your valuable time. I’m just going to wrap it up with a little bit of word association. So, just share the first word that comes to mind when you hear said person’s name. I can’t imagine anybody better for us to kick it off with than Candace Owens.

CS: Fearless.

CP: Rush Limbaugh?

CS: Trailblazer.

CP: Don Imus?

CS: Bomb-thrower.

CP: Steve Bannon?

CS: Truth-speaker.

CP: Mike Huckabee?

CS: Multitalented.

CP: President Trump?

CS: Martyr.

CP: Lou Dobbs?

CS: Tenacious.

CP: Laura Ingram?

CS: Resistant.

CP: And for yourself, what would you like people to associate Dr. Carol Swain with?

CS: I think mature, speaker, transparency. I tend to be very transparent. When people say, ‘oh, you should never do this’ or ‘you should never let people know what you’re thinking..’ I believe in transparency. I want to be authentic. I want to be real. I want to be transparent. My decision to wear my hair naturally, after many years of straightening my hair and wearing wigs and weaves. I feel like to be authentic, you have to be who you are—that includes how you look.

I’m just trying to reach people using as many platforms as possible. And people can follow me as a supporter on Facebook, and Twitter and now TikTok.

CP: I will be sure to include all of the ways to follow your work at the conclusion of the interview. Are there any other projects you’ve been working on?

CS: Everything is on the website BeThePeopleNews.com. Recently, my show Conversations with Dr. Carol Swain, which is that intimate, huge Internet TV show kind of setting, has been made available as a podcast, so people that want to listen, can through any one of the platforms.

I have so many new things going on. But it’s all about communicating and getting it out. Using my voices and doing the things I believe God has called me to do. I do know that along the way, I may be shut down, but I will just keep going until it happens.

CP: Well, I love your attitude. It’s so infectious. It makes me feel like I can, you know, go out and change the world after my conversation with Dr. Carol Swain.

CS: I mean, that’s what I want to do. I love that this is happening. People have approached me about running for office. I say that I’ve had the conversation but I think about if through my various platforms, which includes my YouTube videos, you can reach young people and excite them and they can go out and change the world. I can have a great impact moment motivating people and equipping them, and maybe then, I can become a member of Congress. But if you think about my life and the impact it’s going to have, I think I can reach more people this way.

CP: Absolutely, kind of like Carol Swain’s Master Class. Thank you so very much for your time.

Follow Carol Swain on Twitter at @CarolMSwain , on Facebook, YouTube with Prager U and Dr. Carol M. Swain : Be The People News, her podcasts Be The People and Conversations with Dr. Carol Swain all of which can be located on the website BeThePeopleNews.com. And make sure to check out her brand new Tik Tok account too!

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It’s Not a Vaccine Mandate, It’s a Test Mandate

“Chuck Todd from Meet The Press, the New York Times, CNN, numerous other media outlets and even the White House spokesman have called Biden’s policy a vaccine mandate. It’s not. So, why do they keep reporting it as such?”

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I feel I must disclose my feelings on Covid-19 before my column this week so everyone knows my bias. 

If you want to take the horse dewormer medicine, Ivermectin, for Covid-19, I DON’T CARE.

If you want to wear a mask in a crowd indoors or out, I DON’T CARE

If you don’t want to get a Covid-19 vaccine, again, I DON’T CARE. 

In terms of full disclosure, I have been vaccinated. As far as I know, I haven’t had Covid-19, and only my dog has had some form of Ivermectin. 

With that out of the way, can we talk about how President Biden’s mandate is being discussed and reported on? This is not a liberal or conservative issue, and it’s not a CNN vs FOX News issue. Most everyone has an opinion on it, yet most don’t care to find out what was actually proposed. Even the White House is misleading folks with its own policy. 

This is not a vaccine mandate, it’s a test mandate. 

President Biden’s policy has made two changes. All federal workers must receive a vaccine. You don’t have to work for the federal government, but if you do, you must be vaccinated. Again, not a mandate. No one is forcing you to work for the federal government. That’s your choice.  

Delta Airlines implemented a policy charging employees $200 if they choose not to be vaccinated. As a result, thousands have received the Covid-19 vaccine to avoid the penalty. That is their choice. 

Schools, public and private universities, hospitals, and companies big and small have made similar rules. If you want to work or attend, you must get a vaccine. Not a vaccine mandate, big difference.

Companies make all sorts of rules, some smart, some dumb. I know a radio station that will not let their on-air hosts talk to the media (dumb). My company policy says, I can’t eat food in the studio (smart). You can agree or disagree with a policy, and if you choose not to follow it, that is your choice. Nobody from the government is going to come to your home, hold you down, and jab a needle in your arm. Yet I’ve heard that said a few hundred times in the last few weeks.

Part two of President Biden’s policy says that if you are a company with over 100 employees, your employees will be required to have a vaccine or get tested weekly to see if they are Covid-19 positive. Again, this is not a vaccine mandate. It’s just a test, once a week. A test mandate, if you will.

Chuck Todd from Meet The Press, the New York Times, CNN, numerous other media outlets and even the White House spokesman have called Biden’s policy a vaccine mandate. It’s not. So, why do they keep reporting it as such?   

I talk to neighbors, callers, and friends, and they’re all arguing over something that isn’t happening. Some have gotten really angry and stood defiant. They will not, under any circumstances, be forced to get a vaccine. 

“How about a test?” 

“Wait, what?”  

These are crazy times. We talk past each other, we debate our own set of facts, we get to choose the news we like, and disregard and disqualify the news we don’t. I’m afraid we have crossed some type of rubicon. Everyone is arguing and debating a policy but nobody knows the actual policy.

If you think taking a test to find out if you have a life threatening virus that could harm you, a family member, or a coworker is government overreach, I DON’T CARE. Quite frankly, I’m exhausted by the screaming. But if you are going to argue about it, you should do yourself a favor and know what the policy is before you decide you are for it or against it. 

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Few Media Outlets Were Brave Enough to #NeverForget Both Sides

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Saturday marked 20 years since Sept. 11, 2001.

Everyone has a 9/11 story. Where they were. How they reacted. What they remember about that treacherous day in America.

Consuming media coverage and memorials over the weekend, there was one very common theme.

Unity. Unofficially the word was said 42,365,789 times this weekend.

Listening to the radio, I heard one newstalk host romanticize about how the entire country came together as one, and he didn’t feel we did the same fighting the Covid-19 pandemic.

Before the NFL kicked off on Sunday, both Fox and CBS aired extended memorial video montages. The New York Yankees and New York Mets played the Subway Series and on Saturday wore hats representing the Fire and Police Departments of their city.

Netflix, Hulu and Peacock dropped streaming documentaries.

All of this coverage focused on the heroism, the devastation that destroyed 2,996 families, and the unified aftermath. Stats were dropped about the sales of United States flags hitting all-time highs. The patriotic shirt and bumper stickers industry was booming for months.

Let’s be clear – this aforementioned coverage was extremely important.

The following might be controversial, so I unfortunately feel obligated to include the following disclaimer:

I think 9/11 memorial coverage is necessary. #NeverForget is important. I’ve often thought that we don’t talk enough Pearl Harbor where 2,403 Americans also died, maybe that’s a generational coverage thing. So, in the age of the 24-hour news cycle, we should keep these stories prominent and always celebrate the heroes of that harrowing day.

Now that my stance on 9/11 coverage is very very clear…

We should also talk more about the racist hate-crime filled society we created for Muslims, Arabic speaking Americans, Sikhs, and anyone who appeared middle eastern or had dark brown skin. We should also never forget those innocent people whose lives were extremely affected during the aftermath.

Their stories are important. Acknowledging the ugliness can assist in learning from those mistakes.

Although the coverage wasn’t front page, there were news outlets brave enough to hit on those topics over the weekend. I wanted to take time to highlight them, quoting some excerpts that may be tough to read:

Anita Snow and Noreen Nasir of Associated Press for ABC News: “Sikh entrepreneur Balbir Singh Sodhi was killed at his Arizona gas station four days after the Sept. 11 attacks by a man who declared he was “going to go out and shoot some towel-heads” and mistook him for an Arab Muslim.”

Sodhi’s brother spoke with Kimmy Yam of NBC News and reflected on the hate crime.

Kiara Alfonseca for ABC News: “Mosques were burned or destroyed and death threats and harassment followed many Muslims in the weeks following the attacks, according to congressional testimony from the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2011. Some victims were beaten, attacked or held at gunpoint for merely being perceived as Muslim, the organization said.”

Maria Lisignoli of NBC 15 in Madison, WI spoke with a local principal:

“But, you know, as often as you will speak to other Muslim and millennials especially, they feel like we feel like we’ve had to answer for the crimes of other people,” Warsi said.

He says linking the Islamic faith with these attacks was damaging mentally and physically.

“I myself have been discriminated against been a victim to hate crime with physical assault, just because I’m Muslim,” Warsi said.

Dorothy Hastings for PBS: “Since 2001, Muslims have been the second most frequent target for religiously motivated hate crimes, according to the federal hate crime data.”

Newstalk program directors, news directors and journalists should always strive to tell both sides of the story. It’s not the feel-good unified story, but nothing about journalism is easy. The industry isn’t for propaganda.

There are tough truths that need to be told. It’s part of the job.

The stories are important. The coverage is necessary.

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The Weather Channel Was Go To Outlet for Hurricane Ida Coverage

The three major cable news outlets were surprisingly slow in covering Hurricane Ida, despite most of their offices located in New York City.

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Hurricane Ida continued to wreak havoc on Wednesday, Sep. 1, as the storm that rocked Louisiana the previous weekend unleashed its fury upon the northeast.

The Weather Channel was the primary outlet for Ida coverage. Here was their ratings track as the storm reached New Jersey and New York that evening, according to Nielsen Media Research:

  • 8:00-9:00 p.m. ET: 0.391 million viewers; 158,000 adults 25-54
  • 9:00-10:00 p.m. ET: 0.461 million viewers; 154,000 adults 25-54
  • 10:00-11:00 p.m. ET: 0.348 million viewers; 111,000 adults 25-54
  • 11:00 p.m.-midnight ET: 0.269 million viewers; 100,000 adults 25-54
  • midnight-1:00 a.m. ET: 0.230 million viewers; 72,000 adults 25-54
  • 1:00-2:00 a.m. ET: 0.198 million viewers; 63,000 adults 25-54

3.15 inches of rain fell in Central Park from 8:51-9:51 p.m. ET — the largest amount of rainfall there within a one-hour period on record, a mark previously set just eleven days prior (Aug. 21) by the effects of Hurricane Henri’s storm (1.94 inches). 8.4 inches fell in Newark, New Jersey throughout the entire evening. Over 50 people in the northeast perished due to Ida.

The three major cable news outlets were surprisingly slow in covering Hurricane Ida, despite most of their offices located in New York City. Fox News Channel provided 10-minute special reports in the overnight of late Sep. 1/early Sep. 2:

  • 1:00-1:10 a.m. ET: 0.875 million viewers; 213,000 adults 25-54
  • 2:00-2:11 a.m. ET: 0.692 million viewers; 166,000 adults 25-54
  • 3:00-3:08 a.m. ET: 0.526 million viewers; 129,000 adults 25-54

CNN’s “Newsroom Live” began at 2 a.m. ET, reporting on Hurricane Ida. It averaged 411,000 viewers and 128,000 adults 25-54 for the hour.

On the following morning of Thursday, Sep. 2, the governors of New Jersey (Phil Murphy) and New York (Kathy Hochul) held separate press conferences addressing the aftermath of Ida. Fox News, averaging 1.6 million total viewers and 265,000 in the 25-54 demo from 10-11 a.m. ET, aired most of these conferences until bailing on them when the topic of climate change was mentioned.

CNN (967,000 viewers/228,000 adults 25-54 from 10-11 a.m. ET) and MSNBC (Murphy: 843,000 viewers/90,000 adults 25-54 from 10:19-10:38 a.m. ET; Hochul: 778,000 viewers/86,000 adults 25-54 from 10:38-11:12 a.m. ET) both aired the Murphy and Hochul press conferences in full.

Here are the cable news averages for August 30-September 5, 2021.

Total Day (August 30-September 5 @ 6 a.m.-5:59 a.m.)

  • Fox News Channel: 1.548 million viewers; 259,000 adults 25-54
  • MSNBC: 0.744 million viewers; 84,000 adults 25-54
  • CNN: 0.653 million viewers; 145,000 adults 25-54
  • The Weather Channel: 0.247 million viewers; 57,000 adults 25-54
  • HLN: 0.201 million viewers; 61,000 adults 25-54
  • CNBC: 0.145 million viewers; 33,000 adults 25-54
  • Newsmax: 0.140 million viewers; 20,000 adults 25-54
  • Fox Business Network: 0.096 million viewers; 10,000 adults 25-54

Prime Time (August 30-September 4 @ 8-11 p.m.; September 5 @ 7-11 p.m.)

  • Fox News Channel: 2.642 million viewers; 434,000 adults 25-54
  • MSNBC: 1.260 million viewers; 145,000 adults 25-54
  • CNN: 0.876 million viewers; 202,000 adults 25-54
  • The Weather Channel: 0.259 million viewers; 72,000 adults 25-54
  • HLN: 0.218 million viewers; 62,000 adults 25-54
  • CNBC: 0.199 million viewers; 60,000 adults 25-54
  • Newsmax: 0.163 million viewers; 33,000 adults 25-54
  • Fox Business Network: 0.054 million viewers; 6,000 adults 25-54

Top 10 most-watched cable news programs (and the top MSNBC, CNN and The Weather Channel programs with their respective associated ranks) in total viewers:

1. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Mon. 8/30/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 4.312 million viewers

2. The Five (FOXNC, Mon. 8/30/2021 5:00 PM, 60 min.) 4.130 million viewers

3. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Tue. 8/31/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.846 million viewers

4. Hannity (FOXNC, Mon. 8/30/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.841 million viewers

5. Hannity (FOXNC, Tue. 8/31/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.620 million viewers

6. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Wed. 9/1/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.519 million viewers

7. The Five (FOXNC, Wed. 9/1/2021 5:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.506 million viewers

8. The Five (FOXNC, Tue. 8/31/2021 5:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.489 million viewers

9. Hannity (FOXNC, Wed. 9/1/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.393 million viewers

10. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Thu. 9/2/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 3.317 million viewers

19. Rachel Maddow Show (MSNBC, Mon. 8/30/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 2.763 million viewers

125. Anderson Cooper 360 (CNN, Mon. 8/30/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 1.199 million viewers

190. America’s Morning Headquarters (TWC, Mon. 8/30/2021 10:00 AM, 60 min.) 0.909 million viewers

Top 10 cable news programs (and the top  MSNBC, CNN and The Weather Channel programs with their respective associated ranks) among adults 25-54:

1. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Mon. 8/30/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.778 million adults 25-54

2. Hannity (FOXNC, Mon. 8/30/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.667 million adults 25-54

3. The Five (FOXNC, Mon. 8/30/2021 5:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.667 million adults 25-54

4. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Tue. 8/31/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.654 million adults 25-54

5. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Wed. 9/1/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.634 million adults 25-54

6. Hannity (FOXNC, Wed. 9/1/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.613 million adults 25-54

7. Tucker Carlson Tonight (FOXNC, Thu. 9/2/2021 8:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.574 million adults 25-54

8. The Ingraham Angle (FOXNC, Mon. 8/30/2021 10:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.569 million adults 25-54

9. Hannity (FOXNC, Tue. 8/31/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.564 million adults 25-54

10. The Five (FOXNC, Wed. 9/1/2021 5:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.552 million adults 25-54

32. Rachel Maddow Show (MSNBC, Mon. 8/30/2021 9:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.367 million adults 25-54

71. Don Lemon Tonight (CNN, Mon. 8/30/2021 10:00 PM, 60 min.) 0.282 million adults 25-54

87. America’s Morning Headquarters (TWC, Mon. 8/30/2021 10:00 AM, 60 min.) 0.253 million adults 25-54

Source: Live+Same Day data, Nielsen Media Research

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