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All Sides Have Access To ‘The Black Eagle’ Joe Madison

“I still have in my possession, letters, hateful letters full of the n-word, and people couldn’t even spell it. I have them stored. One of these days, I’m going to write another book and just print these letters.”



His voice can be calming and assuring, but Joe Madison can also confront his listeners. The veteran SiriusXM host just returned to his Washington studios for the first time since the Spring of 2020 and found calendars “frozen in time” due to the pandemic.  

He said the satellite radio company used the time with everyone working at home to modernize the equipment. 

“On one hand, it’s really been great to be able to walk into a practically new updated studio,” Madison told BNM. “But on the other hand, I wake up every morning at 3:30 prepping for the show. All I have to do is roll out of bed, walk a few feet to the kitchen table.”

Madison expects to work in the studio primarily, but he’ll keep the remote option as needed. 

As life changed for listeners and hosts, Madison, 72, said working from home was accepted as the “new normal,” although the biggest complaint is “people might hear the microwave go off,” he laughed.  

Madison hosts the morning drive slot (6 a.m. to 10 a.m.) on SiriusXM’s Urban View channel 126.

Radio Calling

Madison has been on air professionally for 40 years. But, as with many who get into broadcasting, his start came on his college radio station – Washington University in St. Louis — where he would earn a Bachelor of Arts in Sociology a half-century ago. 

“It had just about enough power to light a lamp,” he joked. 

However, arriving at the legendary WXYZ in Detroit a decade later was “a fluke.” Madison was able to parlay guest appearances as head of the NAACP Detroit chapter into his weekend show. Program director Michael Packer approached Madison about the radio position that he would hold for ten years. 

“[I] sort of learned the business from the ground up,” Madison said. 

Despite his radio roots in college, Madison needed polishing and planned to enroll in a broadcasting school. But Packer urged him to stand clear of extra education. 

“Anything they teach you at a broadcast school we’re going to have to undo it,” He recalls Packer declaring. 

So, Madison kept his unique style and experience untouched on the mic. His first full-time gig was hosting the overnight slot at WWDB in Philadelphia. Madison was the only African-American air talent on the station at the time.

“It was also the first show I got fired from,” he said. 

Madison claims management dismissed him because he talked about Blacks too much. Even though Madison was established as a civil rights activist and still held a role with the NAACP, “they knew that when they hired me,” he said. 

“It was not the most pleasant experience,” Madison said of his time at WWDB. 

However, as the saying goes, as one door closes, another one opens. So it opened for Madison at legacy radio station WWRC in Washington.  

He stayed for several years until a format change connected him with Cathy Hughes, who ran Radio One and the flagship WOL-AM. 

While there, burgeoning satellite radio grew, and WOL added listeners with XM Radio, giving Madison an increased presence. That led to a full-time offer at XM, which since combined with Sirius, where “The Black Eagle” has soared for more than two decades. 

Style and Substance

Separating Madison from the pack of radio hosts is his originality, authenticity and ability to be daring. That advice came from Aretha Franklin, who was a regular listener to his show.

“Most important of all is, to be honest,” he said. “I never will lie deliberately to my audience.”

Another key to Madison’s longevity—R-E-S-P-E-C-T. 

“I’m only confrontational to those folks who come at me confrontationally,” he said.  

Madison is considered “radioactive,” but he points out two words and the title of his soon-to-be-released memoir. 

Making a difference, in 2015, Madison was the first US talk show to broadcast from Cuba in more than 50 years. He also brought the show into a civil war in southern Sudan and broadcast from Haiti after the devastating 2010 earthquake.

Additionally, Madison took his show to several locations in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.  

While not necessarily a model for his career, Howard Stern is someone who Madison put on a pedestal. 

“He’s original, and that is what has made him a successful broadcaster over these many years,” he said.

Reminiscent of a scene from “Private Parts,” where WNBC researchers determined that people who didn’t like Stern listened longer than the rest, Madison admitted, “Even the haters, who call in, you know it’s fascinating, they keep calling, and they keep listening. So, they don’t go anywhere.” 

Madison learned from a former host at WXYZ, the late-Mark Scott. 

“We had absolutely, politically, culturally, nothing in common,” Madison said. “But he took me under his wing.” 

Scott gave tips, including how to address callers in certain situations. 

“He always would tell me, ‘The voice doesn’t lie,'” Madison remembered. “He probably was one of the best mentors I’ve had in this business.”

While Madison welcomes all listeners and encourages those with varying views to call, he is most associated with being a progressive talker. Regardless of the label, it is not automatically in lockstep with the Democrats. 

Interviewed before the Infrastructure bill passed in the House, Madison has been “upset” with President Joe Biden and held protests on whether to filibuster. 

But Madison is more enraged by the Senate Republicans stalling the Voting Rights bill named for the late civil rights icon and congressman, John Lewis. 

“I’m planning to go on a hunger strike until these two [voting] bills are passed, or at least one of them,” he said. “I don’t plan to eat solid foods, really to put pressure on the United States Senate and the president of the United States.”

This is not a ratings ploy for the longtime activist, who has taken a stand with hunger strikes in the past, a reason that his SiriusXM bosses back his demonstration. 

Dick Gregory, a popular comedian in the 1960s and civil rights activist, also used hunger strikes to make his case for change. 

“One thing he told me was when you protest in this manner; people will either sympathize with you [or] the public starts asking, ‘Why isn’t Joe Madison eating?’ Now I get a chance to tell people what the issue is all about,” Madison said. “For me, it is both political and moral.”

Madison professes to his listeners a difference between a moment and a movement. 

“Show up at a demonstration, carry some signs; that’s a moment. Moments are important,” he admitted. “But every great movement in human history has always required sacrifice.”

The Trump Era

Former President Donald Trump began his run for office in 2015, helping usher in a more divisive country. But it was a golden age for on-air hosts, who were never without content, thanks in large part to Trump’s controversial remarks. 

“It’s talk radio show heaven,” Madison said. “What’s difficult is when you don’t have any issue to talk about.”

He thinks that’s led to a proliferation of podcasters.

Madison sees constant phone lines filled throughout his daily four-hour broadcast but follows in the footsteps of another radio legend, Larry King, who would allow the same callers to participate on the show only once a week. 

Where there is controversy, from policy to the pandemic, Madison says there are at least two angles to discuss. 

“I make sure that all sides have access to me,” he said. “And sometimes I give them hell.”

Angry callers in this climate can be expected as a hazard of the job, although Madison isn’t bothered by it. 

“I still have in my possession, letters, hateful letters full of the n-word, and people couldn’t even spell it,” Madison said. “I have them stored. One of these days, I’m going to write another book and just print these letters.”

With today’s technology and social media, those who taunt Madison now have immediate access to Madison, although he questions their motives.

“Every day, they will send a nasty email full of racial hatred, and Lord, if you say anything,” he said.  

He would often read the letters verbatim on the air until his wife Sherry, his radio show executive producer, cautioned they were getting under his skin and, in effect, a victory for the hate mongers. 

Since they didn’t provide any substance to the conversation, her advice was to just delete them.  

Those distractions notwithstanding, Madison is proud of his role on the air and doesn’t take It lightly. 

“This is why talk radio is so valuable in this era,” he said. “Even though people may disagree with you. When it’s all said and done, somebody’s going to come out on the right side.”

Despite his four decades in radio, terrestrial, or satellite, Madison has no desire to retire. 

“They’re going to take me feet first out of the studio,” he admitted. “I don’t know what else I’d do. I am truly blessed because I love what I do. I hate taking time off.”

Madison looks forward to returning each morning with his wife by his side (or on the other side of the glass) for another show. 

“As long as I can do this physically and mentally, I hope that SiriusXM will allow me the opportunity.” 

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The Cost of “Thoughts”

Jack Del Rio made a classic mistake of wondering aloud about topics that people in public positions aren’t allowed to think about on Twitter.



The first recorded use of the expression, “A penny for your thoughts,” was made by Sir Thomas Moore precisely 500 years ago (1522). But, no doubt, a penny went much further in the 16th century.

The U.S. Department of Labor’s most recent Consumer Price Index (CPI) shows that inflation continues to increase above expectations. The current annual rate of 8.6% is the highest since 1981. The cost of thoughts, or at least saying them aloud, well, saying certain things in a public forum, has gone up far more than the CPI.

Jack Del Rio, defensive coordinator for the Washington Commanders (formerly known as the “Washington Football Team,” and before that, the Washington Redskins), made a classic mistake of wondering aloud about topics that people in public positions aren’t allowed to think about on Twitter. Specifically, his Tweets compared (what he called) “the summer of riots” to January 6th at the U.S. Capitol. As the late, great Alex Trebek would say, Del Rio’s comments were “in the form of a question.”

Faced with media scrutiny about his Tweets, rather than back down, Del Rio referred to January 6th as a “dust-up at the Capitol.”

Can I tell you a trade secret of press flacks? They all have a small can of lighter fluid and a pack of matches within reach behind a piece of glass with the words “break only in the case of emergency” scrawled on it. Certain phrases or words will cause a press person, at great personal danger and sacrifice, to break the glass, douse themselves with the accelerant, and strike a match before flinging their immolating body in front of the podium. Okay, not literally, but I guarantee the Commanders’ public relations director would think this alternative less painful than hearing those words come out of Del Rio’s mouth in front of the press gaggle.

The controversy that followed was swift and certain: as was the reaction from Commanders Head Coach Ron Rivera. He promptly assessed a $100,000 fine on Del Rio for his comments.

Two points here: First, this is not a sports story. Talk Radio observers should be far more concerned with the consequences of this story than NFL or sports fans. Second, it doesn’t matter what you think happened on January 6th. You should still find the fine issued by Rivera chilling, whether you call it an insurrection or a dust-up.

I used to believe that comedian Bill Maher and I were about as far apart on the political spectrum as any two Americans could be. Maher and I, however, hold similar views on freedom of expression.

On his HBO show, “Real Time,” Maher defended Del Rio by saying: “In America, you have the right to be wrong. They fined him; the team fined him $100,000 for this opinion. Fining people for an opinion. I am not down with that.”

Because this is where we meet, I’d like to buy Bill Maher a drink and have a laugh over all the times he’s been wrong, or we can share that drink and a smile for understanding that freedom of expression IS the foundation of democracy – no matter who’s right or wrong. Freedom of expression is an issue where liberals and conservatives must find common ground.

The football team currently known as the Washington Commanders may need another name change. Perhaps the “Comrades” would reflect the team’s philosophy better? Levying such a hefty punishment for stating a political (and non-football) point of view because it is out of step with what is apparently official policy seems more reminiscent of the Politburo’s posture than a free society.

Del Rio’s words are understandably offensive to many. At the very least, they were ham-handed for someone who has been in the public spotlight for so long. But a $100,000 fine? Stifling political opinion is far more dangerous than anything Del Rio said.

Taking the Del Rio incident into context with the “Cancel Culture” of the past few years, Talk Radio hosts should look over their shoulders. Del Rio is also an excellent reminder to think twice before posting a politically unpopular opinion on social media.

Inflation has eaten away at the value of a penny and increased the cost of making politically incorrect statements, including on the air in recent years. What inhibits individuals from expressing their thoughts, beliefs, opinions, and emotions is a threat to Talk Radio and democracy.

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Joe Pags’ Dream to Work In Media Started Early

Pags knew a career in media was for him ever since he was ten years old, even before his vocal chords did.



If you’ve ever been required to interview someone for a segment or article, you know pretty quickly when it’s going to be a bumpy ride. 

Joe Pags was answering my initial questions as freely as Ebeneezer Scrooge hands out Krugerrands. Teeth have been pulled from the human head with greater ease. It just wasn’t happening. 

After a few minutes, I think I grew on him.

I discovered we actually had a few things in common; both of us lived in Lake Worth, Florida, we knew a lot of the same places and faces, and we both understood that summer heat in Florida is like purgatory. 

However, Pags and I will both have a fond devotion to The Noid. We will always share the memories of being a manager at Domino’s Pizza. 

“I worked at Domino’s when pizzas were delivered to your door within 30-minutes, or it was free,” Pags said. “After a while they went to 30 minutes or three dollars off the price. Too many people were getting into accidents trying to beat the clock.”

What Pags did not mention was that even when you legitimately made it in less than 30 minutes, you had people questioning your delivery time. I guess that’s human nature.

Soon, pizzas were just for eating, not working; Pags started his radio career in 1989 in Palm Beach County, Florida.

After that, it was a stint as a television anchor from 1994-2005 in Saginaw, Michigan, and then Albany, New York. From there he was called back to radio and landed at the Clear Channel Talk Flagship, WOAI, in 2005. The Joe Pags Show has been a fan favorite since its debut in 2005.

For Pags, the media dream started early on. 

“I grew up listening to talk radio at a very young age and was determined to make my living doing it one day,” Pags says. “I actually have a tape somewhere on which I erased the DJ’s voice and recorded mine over the songs.” 

Pags is probably thrilled that the tape will never be released.

Years later, he found he could pay the bills doing something he loved. “I’m lucky enough to work with great people on both local, and national radio and television,” Pags explained.

As a kid, Pags listened to Neil Rogers on WIOD. It was consistently a top-rated show in the MiamiFt. Lauderdale media market and had been since his Miami debut in 1976.

“I also remember Steve Cain, Rick, and Suds on that station,” Pags said. “It was a lot of talk radio, but it was fun. It was entertainment. Rush Limbaugh was doing the politics stuff back then.”

Pags knew a career in media was for him ever since he was ten years old, even before his vocal chords did.

“When my voice changed at 13, I developed more of a bass tone; I knew I was on my way. I had a New York accent and had to shake that.”

Before he embarked on a career in radio, his music career was going well. Pags played French horn and saxophone; apparently, he was pretty good.

He played gigs at the prestigious Breakers Hotel, among many others. “I used to play at the Backstage lounge adjacent to the old Burt Reynolds Dinner Theater in Jupiter,” Pags said.

No word on whether Reynolds ever caught Pags live or not.

As a kid, he played baseball. Pags said he was pretty good. What took center stage for Pags was music. It was the French horn and saxophone that captured his heart. 

“I played professionally on the Empress Dinner Cruise on the Intracoastal Waterway,” Pags said. “I also did gigs at The Breakers Hotel in Palm Beach. We made some good money.” 

Before Domino’s and radio and music, it all started with a strong desire to succeed. That often comes from your family’s belief in you. Sometimes it’s not there.

“I knew that if I worked hard enough, if I showed the love for the work I was doing, then I’d succeed,” Pags said.

His family lived in Lake Worth, Florida, from 1973-74, and Pags returned every so often. “I got back to Florida recently when I went to Mara Lago and watched 2,000 Mules.

San Antonio has been home for the past 17 years for Pags and his family. “I’ve been here at WOAI. I’ve got my own studio in a great area.” His daughter Sam is his executive producer. I asked Pags if there was any nepotism when it came to hiring Sam.

“Darn right, there is nepotism,” he said. “This is Joe Pags media. I get to hire whoever I want,” he quipped. “Sam has always had a love of broadcasting. When I became syndicated in this business, I told her I trusted her more than anyone else I knew and asked her to produce my show.”

The other day I spoke with Will Cain for a piece. He told me if I visited Austin, I should also see Texas. So I asked Pags what Cain was trying to say. “He means Austin is a city like Portland; only it’s in Texas. There’s a lot of homelessness in Austin. A lot of crime. The University of Texas in Austin goes far to the Left.”

Where does Pags’ tough demeanor come from? 

“My father was 100 percent Italian. We had some good pasta dishes around our house with my grandparents around,” Pags explained. “We didn’t have a good bakery in Lake Worth, so I remember my mother and aunts bringing great bread recipes over from the homeland.”

Pags has always been interested in what takes place on the periphery, not just the core of matters. He’s done a lot of things throughout his life. That experience has helped shape his radio show. Pags said his show tends to be white-collar, but he grew up blue-collar all the way. 

“I liked the Superman movies. I enjoyed Rocky,” Pags explained. “As a car-buff, I loved the Burt Reynolds films with Smokey and the Bandit. Stuff like that.”

Lake Worth, like a lot of other Floridia areas, has been known to be a little rough and tumble. Just watch Cops for a week if you don’t believe me.

Pags said other than a little shoving match at the bus stop, he didn’t encounter much rough stuff. “I was a musician, I wasn’t in that mix. Perhaps a scuffle in little league.”

When he was a teenager, he thought music would be it. “I’d played with some big-hitters at the time, like The Coasters,” Pags said. 

“Music career opportunities really didn’t come along as I’d hoped. In some ways, people in the industry were full of it. I still did some freelance work on the saxophone.”

Pags said he was always willing to work for what he got. “I poured coffee and ran errands for $4 an hour,” Pags said. “I had my car repossessed, and got evicted from my apartment. I still kept at it. I never was deterred from what I wanted. I knew what I wanted, but never really expected things to happen the way they did.”

Pags said if some youngster asked how to be what Pags is today, his answer was succinct. “Pour coffee, run errands, whatever you have to do.” 

I asked Pags what he does in his downtime? Let’s just say he’s not running to tee-off at 7:00 am with the guys at the club on his day off.

“I’m a domestic sports car guy,” he says with pride. “I’ve got three Corvettes, a Camaro Super Sport. My Camaro was a 1967, red with white stripes. I sold that car so we could afford to adopt our daughter. I got the better end of that deal.”

He doesn’t do any weekend racing on local tracks like other aging Indy wannabes. “I like to look at those cars in the garage,” Pags said. “My dad was a big car guy. My dad is probably why I’ve succeeded in my life and career. Not for the reasons you’d think.”

Pags’ relationship with his father had the typical ups and downs. Same as it is for most men.

“My father didn’t think I’d amount to anything and had no problem relating that to me,” Pags said. “Conversely, my Mom was always extremely supportive of my interests and goals. I knew if you were good at what you did, people would take notice.”

Pags said his father excelled at being a naysayer. A glass is a half-empty kind of guy.

“He was so negative. He thought I’d never succeed at anything,” Pags explained. “I was out of the house at 17, and I was determined to become something. To prove him wrong.”

Before his father passed away, Pags believes his father became aware of a lot of things. 

“A light went on in his head, and he was just so surprised I could make a living doing what I did,” Pags explains. “When I became a big enough success, he recognized my drive and determination. I’m still not sure if he was hard on me because he thought it would help me in the end. Whatever his reasoning was, it gave me the drive and determination to see things through.”

Pags’ father became so proud of his son that he’d tell friends Joe was going to be on Fox News and how they should tune in.

“It was my mother, with her ultimate support, that really made me want to succeed. For her,” Pags explained.

“I learned that if someone disparages you or makes you feel small, you have choices. You can go into a shell and take it. Believe what people say. Or you can go out and knock down some doors. If you want me to do something, tell me I can’t do it. Soon I will be syndicated on 200 stations. All that came from believing in myself. I’ll prove it to iHeart. To other broadcasters.”

Pags said at some point; you’ve got to find some kind of edge. 

“I knew I wasn’t going to agree with things my father believed and said, just to shut him up. I had to stand up for my own beliefs.”

I can relate to a guy like Pags. He’s got a tough exterior, not easy to crack. But like me, I know in the center is a soft, creamy nougat. 

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Where Is the Good Stuff?

By the “good stuff, I’m not even referring necessarily to the happy or “feel good” tales of human kindness, child wonderment, or cute puppies.



Good Content

A couple of stories about bears actually brought me to this declamation of sorts.

What you’ll see (or read, actually) is nothing new and certainly not any type of original complaint or assessment, but as I spend my days digging, crafting, and stacking stories on double homicides, house fires, high gas prices, and low voter turnout, it’s becoming that much more difficult to balance out a newscast with the good stuff.

By the “good stuff, I’m not even referring necessarily to the happy or “feel good” tales of human kindness, child wonderment, or cute puppies. I’m really just talking about the low end of the meter things; an innocuous bill passing, a road-widening project, or maybe even an upgrade in consumer technology somewhere.

We all realize if a show rattles off an unending laundry list of death, destruction, corruption, and high pollen counts, the only winners are therapists, pharmacies, and liquor stores. But it’s no longer as easy as it once was; I mean, I may be overstating for dramatic effect, but at the end of the day, it really does seem like not only are there fewer accounts to raise the serotonin levels, but those we do find cannot sufficiently dilute those newscasts from their continual tales of woe.

To expand my point, I return to the bears. 

Over the years, I have come to count on bears, and for a good reason. Most bear content consists of the giant creatures, often with their youngsters in tow, doing things we find cute, intriguing, thought-provoking, and/or hilarious. 

If you have never seen a giant black bear rumbling around inside an SUV they’ve just illegally entered or busting into someone’s kitchen and raiding the pantry or the garbage shed, can you even say you have truly lived?

Well, the short answer is you probably can, but I’m the one on the keyboard at the moment, so roll with it for now.

True, those stories often come at the expense of some weary camper, homeowner, or utility worker, but for the audience, it’s generally rejuvenating, even medicinal. A simple Google or social media search will lead you to an overflow of the best of bears in news content. Therefore, as you will see…they trend.

But here’s what has happened of late to turn those stories in a downward direction. Here, in this part of New England, our news stories about bears recently have revolved around them being killed. They destroy some crops or a garden and move on towards somebody’s house, and they get shot. They break into a shed and don’t run off; they get shot. They are euthanized; their cubs get tranquilized for relocation and then don’t wake up. It’s certainly a shift.

Suddenly, we are back to where we started with our content. What was once a sure thing is now added to the dark category of story selection. Still, it is often viable content because it’s a pro and con topic; it has angles and follow-up potential.

Now know this; I am not proposing a referendum involving bears, but rather just offering a long-winded metaphor of sorts.

We do not know when the time-tested default stories are going to turn on us. I do think it will usually happen when our backs are turned. That probably means the digging we do has gone even more profound than before. We cannot always count for all those elements in a story to be out in the open.

Like most of us, I read or at least do a hard scan of a lot of reports, releases, summaries, and everyone else’s take on what’s happening. Fortunately, I can sometimes find fundamental components dropped down further than they ought to be or not allotted enough attention due to time or space constraints.

In police work, these obscure details would often lead to another suspect, another criminal charge, or even an exoneration or a new investigation. 

I find little difference in this present position:

A hi-rise building fire is brought under control when the alarm’s sprinkler system douses much of the flames just as fire crews arrive. Now, that’s great, but there’s a bit more upon looking a little deeper.

The sprinklers knocked out the elevators, and firefighters carried a disabled burn victim down 14 flights of stairs. 

Part of their job?

Sure, but worth peeling the layers off that onion.

Drivers going the wrong way is another big thing around here. On the interstates, the highways, the local roadways, it’s happening a lot and often, as you might guess, with tragic results. So a driver is taken into custody after going the opposite way on not one but two different thoroughfares within like fifteen minutes.

Good story, good arrest, good write-up. 

How did they catch the wrong-way driver? 

The trooper turned directly into the driver’s path and took the crash impact to stop him.

Where did we that aspect of the incident?

Paragraph four or three-quarters through the stand-up.

Now, of course, all coverage and treatment of stories is subjective, and the intent here is merely for me to find a way to say I’m not seeing enough or finding enough “good stuff” to balance out my newscast, so I am going to loot and gut everything I can when necessary.

And that’s just on the local side. Do not get me started on the national beat.

I hope it’s not that people are starting to slip on their quota of good deeds, but it has forced me to think and work just a little harder. 

It’s disappointing when I cannot even count on the bears anymore.

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