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How Do Small Market Hosts Get Attention For Big Market Jobs?

“Broadcasting in a market with a triple-digit Nielsen ranking that begins with a 2, 3 or 4 comes with some very specific challenges.”

Demetri Ravanos




Upward mobility is the name of the game for guys of a certain age in sports radio. Young guys go wherever they get their first opportunity and then proceed to work their way up until they eventually land their dream job in a much larger market.

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Having goals isn’t a phenomenon limited to any particular age group. There are always obstacles to overcome when trying to move from point A to point B. Broadcasting in a market with a triple-digit Nielsen ranking that begins with a 2, 3 or 4 comes with some very specific challenges.

Brady Farkas and Ed Lane are two guys that are not currently looking for new jobs, but they have done their share of poking around in the past. Those experiences have given them the chance to learn what they can do better and how their work and success are perceived.

I asked both of them the same three questions. Whether the day comes again that they are looking for a bigger opportunity, or whether it is just knowing they can impart to help someone else, I appreciate their candor and willingness to participate.


Brady Farkas (WDEV – Montpelier, VT): Ironically enough, I think one of the things you have to overcome is your relatively small social media following. When you come from a smaller market, you just don’t have as much ability to generate a social media following, so you have to fight the notion that that’s because your content is not relevant or impactful. You have to find a way to show that what you are doing in the community is impactful and you are reaching the people that you should be reaching. It’s nice to hit and make an impact across a region, but if you have a small following, you want to show that you are still impacting the community you are serving.

Furthermore, you have to show that you still have a robust network. Just because you don’t get to go to the game like big market guys do or you don’t have guests coming in studio like they do, it’s still possible to have a very strong network. I’ve still come across very influential sports figures and covered big games and met a lot of people, and a lot of those people have come on my show, and that network can continue to serve you as you move up the chain in terms of market size.

Ed Lane (CBS Sports Radio Lynchburg – Lynchburg, VA): There’s a miss perception that you will struggle to adapt to a PPM market when you come from a smaller market that is either using the antiquated diary system or is not rated at all. The reality is with over a decade of coaching, including constant dialogue with program directors in larger markets, there are certain skills they’ve been gracious enough to help me hone that frankly, anyone can practice.

These include getting to the point early in segments, polished live messages (heck I’m selling the messages, shouldn’t I care about the client getting results?), effective use of soundbites, and strong, well-researched opinions. Just because Nielsen chooses not to invest in PPM in the smaller market doesn’t mean that I don’t have the skill set to adapt.


Another misperception is that I can’t learn about or may not even have working knowledge about topics of interest in a different market.  As you research for a broad number of teams like I do in my market, you inherently come across info that is pertinent to other fan bases as well as your own. A lot of that comes from just having a growth mindset and constantly wanting to learn so that you both educate and inform your listener wherever you are.


Farkas: I make sure that influential people with connections know who I am, and I reach out to them to check-in or keep a relationship strong. This is going to sound like a line solely for this piece, but it’s not: I make sure that the people at BSM are aware of what I’m up to and I like to check in with Jason and Demetri. I may not have a direct link to a company or a PD, but I know they likely do, and that’s a good first step.

I’ve also come across several influential PDs in my career and I like to maintain a relationship with them so there’s always the ability for them to recall you should they be talking to a person in power. And then, you also have the ability to use your guest list and network. These people all work for places too, and they may be able to help you when it comes time at their place of business or at a place where they know someone.

Lastly, I just try to use social media to my advantage. If I put out a piece of content that I think is relevant, or if I have a guest that is relevant, I make sure to tag the appropriate parties that may be interested. And maybe it helps generate a following for me or a topic of conversation on my show, but it could also lead to my profile being clicked on by someone in power somewhere as well.

Lane: A lot of it is about establishing connections and then maintaining connections with people who genuinely have an interest in helping others. Once you establish that connection I try to utilize multiple forms of networking sites including LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram and Facebook to keep them abreast of what I am doing daily, and of course continue to learn more about what they are doing and who they are as people. Some of this goes to just establishing your “brand“ but a lot of it is also giving them some insight into who you are and helping build up that level of familiarity. Additionally, it’s helpful to understand how they preferred that you contact them and how often they are open to dialogue.


Farkas: I think it’s important to network with the right people, not necessarily a certain number of people, or even just only PDs and GMs. I don’t just reach out to everyone in the country and drop a resume, but there are people and stations around the country that I really like, and I like to pick their brains about how they’ve done what they’ve done or how they’ve built what they’ve built. And that information and those tips can help me grow both now and in the future. And as those relationships get built and conversations get had, a hiring person can draw on that more intimate relationship, rather than just a one-time email.

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Lane: For the record, the term “network“ is not necessarily my favorite if only because there’s some truth to the idea that the term is more about what you can gain as opposed to a reciprocated mutually beneficial relationship.  It’s absolutely true that when you are a smaller market host reaching out to decision-makers in larger markets there is an implied positioning that you want to be in consideration if an opportunity opens up in their market or if they know of one they can fit for you. That said, it’s also wise to try to make sure there is a level of dialogue and genuine caring about that individual by coming prepared with ideas on how you can help them & their business.

EDITOR’S NOTE: Demetri Ravanos reached out to Brady and Ed on his own. These conversations were not the result of those gentlemen asking to be featured in this way.

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The Future Is Now, Embrace Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible.

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This week has been a reckoning for sports and its streaming future on Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+, ESPN+, and more.

Amazon announced that Thursday Night Football, which averaged 13 million viewers, generated the highest number of U.S. sign ups over a three hour period in the app’s history. More people in the United States subscribed to Prime during the September 15th broadcast than they did during Black Friday, Prime Day, and Cyber Monday. It was also “the most watched night of primetime in Prime Video’s history,” according to Amazon executive Jay Marine. The NFL and sports in general have the power to move mountains even for some of the nation’s biggest and most successful brands.

This leads us to the conversation happening surrounding Aaron Judge’s chase for history. Judge has been in pursuit of former major leaguer Roger Maris’ record for the most home runs hit during one season in American League history.

The sports world has turned its attention to the Yankees causing national rights holders such as ESPN, Fox, and TBS to pick up extra games in hopes that they capture the moment history is made. Apple TV+ also happened to have a Yankees game scheduled for Friday night against the Red Sox right in the middle of this chase for glory.

Baseball fans have been wildin’ out at the prospects of missing the grand moment when Judge passes Maris or even the moments afterwards as Judge chases home run number 70 and tries to truly create monumental history of his own. The New York Post’s Andrew Marchand has even reported there were talks between YES, MLB, and Apple to bring Michael Kay into Apple’s broadcast to call the game, allow YES Network to air its own production of the game, or allow YES Network to simulcast Apple TV+’s broadcast. In my opinion, all of this hysteria is extremely bogus.

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible. Amazon brought in NBC to help with production of TNF and if you watch the flow of the broadcast, the graphics of the broadcast, NBC personalities like Michael Smith, Al Michaels, and Terry McAuliffe make appearances on the telecast – it is very clear that the network’s imprint is all over the show.

NBC’s experience in conducting the broadcast has made the viewing experience much more seamless. Apple has also used MLB Network and its personalities for assistance in ensuring there’s no major difference between what you see on air vs. what you’re streaming.

Amazon and Apple have also decided to not hide their games behind a paywall. Since the beginning of the season, all of Apple’s games have been available free of charge. No subscription has ever been required. As long as you have an Apple device and can download Apple TV+, you can watch their MLB package this season.

Guess what? Friday’s game against the Red Sox is also available for free on your iPhone, your laptop, or your TV simply by downloading the AppleTV app. Amazon will also simulcast all Thursday Night Football games on Twitch for free. It may be a little harder or confusing to find the free options, but they are out there and they are legal and, once again, they are free.

Apple has invested $85 million into baseball, money that will go towards your team becoming better hypothetically. They’ve invested money towards creating a new kind of streaming experience. Why in the hell would they offer YES Network this game for free? There’s no better way for them to drive subscriptions to their product than by offering fans a chance at watching history on their platform.

A moment like this are the main reason Apple paid for rights in the first place. When Apple sees what the NFL has done for Amazon in just one week and coincidentally has the ability to broadcast one of the biggest moments in baseball history – it would be a terrible business decision to let viewers watch it outside of the Apple ecosystem and lose the ability to gain new fans.

It’s time for sports fans to grow up and face reality. Streaming is here to stay. 

MLB Network is another option

If you don’t feel like going through the hassle of watching the Yankees take on the Red Sox for free on Apple TV+, MLB Network will also air all of Judge’s at bats live as they are happening. In case the moment doesn’t happen on Apple TV+ on Friday night, Judge’s next games will air in full on MLB Network (Saturday), ESPN (Sunday), MLB Network again (Monday), TBS (Tuesday) and MLB Network for a third time on Wednesday. All of MLB Network’s games will be simulcast of YES Network’s local New York broadcast. It wouldn’t shock me to see Fox pick up another game next Thursday if the pursuit still maintains national interest.

Quick bites

  • One of the weirdest things about the experience of streaming sports is that you lose the desire to channel surf. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Brandon Ross of LightShed Ventures wonders if the difficulty that comes with going from app to app will help Amazon keep viewers on TNF the entire time no matter what the score of the game is. If it does, Amazon needs to work on developing programming to surround the games or start replaying the games, pre and post shows so that when you fall asleep and wake up you’re still on the same stream on Prime Video or so that coming to Prime Video for sports becomes just as much of a habit for fans as tuning in to ESPN is.
  • CNN has announced the launch of a new morning show with Don Lemon, Poppy Harlow and Kaitlin Collins. Variety reports, “Two people familiar with plans for the show say it is likely to use big Warner Bros. properties — a visit from the cast of HBO’s Succession or sports analysis from TNT’s NBA crew — to lure eyeballs.” It’ll be interesting to see if Turner Sports becomes a cornerstone of this broadcast. Will the NBA start doing schedule releases during the show? Will a big Taylor Rooks interview debut on this show before it appears on B/R? Will the Stanley Cup or Final Four MVP do an interview on CNN’s show the morning after winning the title? Does the show do remote broadcasts from Turner’s biggest sports events throughout the year?
  • The Clippers are back on over the air television. They announced a deal with Nexstar to broadcast games on KTLA and other Nexstar owned affiliates in California. The team hasn’t reached a deal to air games on Bally Sports SoCal or Bally Sports Plus for the upcoming season. Could the Clippers pursue a solo route and start their own OTT service in time for the season? Are they talking to Apple, Amazon, or ESPN about a local streaming deal? Is Spectrum a possible destination? I think these are all possibilities but its likely that the Clippers end up back on Bally Sports since its the status quo. I just find it interesting that it has taken so long to solidify an agreement and that it wasn’t announced in conjunction with the KTLA deal. The Clippers are finally healthy this season, moving into a new arena soon, have the technology via Second Spectrum to produce immersive game casts. Maybe something is brewing?
  • ESPN’s Monday Night Football double box was a great concept. The execution sucked. Kudos to ESPN for adjusting on the fly once complaints began to lodge across social media. I think the double box works as a separate feed. ESPN2 should’ve been the home to the double box. SVP and Stanford Steve could’ve held a watch party from ESPN’s DC studio with special guests. The double box watch party on ESPN2 could’ve been interrupted whenever SVP was giving an update on games for ESPN and ABC. It would give ESPN2 a bit of a behind the scenes look at how the magic happens similarly to what MLB Tonight did last week. Credit to ESPN and the NFL for experimenting and continuing to try and give fans unique experiences.

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ESPN Shows Foresight With Monday Night Football Doubleheader Timing

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7 and then 10 on their primary channel.

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The Monday Night Football doubleheader was a little bit different this time around for ESPN.

First, it came in Week 2 instead of Week 1. And then, the games were staggered 75 minutes apart on two different channels, the Titans and Bills beginning on ESPN at 7:15 PM ET and the Vikings at the Eagles starting at 8:30 PM on ABC and ESPN+. This was a departure from the usual schedule in which the games kicked off at 7:00 PM ET and then 10:00 PM ET with the latter game on the West Coast.

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7:00 PM and then 10:00 PM ET on their primary channel. That’s the typical approach, right? The NFL is the most valuable offering in all of sports and ESPN would have at least six consecutive hours of live programming without any other game to switch to.

Instead, they staggered the starts so the second game kicked off just before the first game reached halftime. They placed the games on two different channels, which risked cannibalizing their audience. Why? Well, it’s the same reason that ESPN was so excited about the last year’s Manningcast that it’s bringing it back for 10 weeks this season. ESPN is not just recognizing the reality of how their customers behave, but they’re embracing it.

Instead of hoping with everything they have that the customer stays in one place for the duration of the game, they’re recognizing the reality that they will leave and providing another product within their portfolio to be a destination when they do.

It’s the kind of experiment everyone in broadcasting should be investigating because, for all the talk about meeting the customer where they are, we still tend to be a little bit stubborn about adapting to what they do. 

Customers have more choices than ever when it comes to media consumption. First, cable networks softened the distribution advantages of broadcast networks, and now digital offerings have eroded the distribution advantages of cable networks. It’s not quite a free-for-all, but the battle for viewership is more intense, more wide open than ever because that viewer has so many options of not just when and where but how they will consume media.

Programmers have a choice in how to react to this. On the one hand, they can hold on tighter to the existing model and try to squeeze as much out of it as they can. If ESPN was thinking this way it would stack those two Monday night games one after the other just like it always has and hope like hell for a couple of close games to juice the ratings. Why would you make it impossible for your customer to watch both of these products you’ve paid so much to televise?

I’ve heard radio programmers and hosts recite take this same approach for more than 10 years now when it comes to making shows available on-demand. Why would you give your customers the option of consuming the product in a way that’s not as remunerative or in a way that is not measured?

That thinking is outdated and it is dangerous from an economic perspective because it means you’re trying to make the customer behave in your best interest by restricting their choices. And maybe that will work. Maybe they like that program enough that they’ll consume it in the way you’d prefer or maybe they decide that’s inconvenient or annoying or they decide to try something else and now this customer who would have listened to your product in an on-demand format is choosing to listen to someone else’s product entirely.

After all, you’re the only one that is restricting that customer’s choices because you’re the only one with a desire to keep your customer where he is. Everyone else is more than happy to give your customer something else. 

There’s a danger in holding on too tightly to the existing model because the tighter you squeeze, the more customers will slip through your fingers, and if you need a physical demonstration to complete this metaphor go grab a handful of sand and squeeze it hard.

Your business model is only as good as its ability to predict the behavior of your customers, and as soon as it stops doing that, you need to adjust that business model. Don’t just recognize the reality that customers today will exercise the freedom that all these media choices provide, embrace it.

Offer more products. Experiment with more ways to deliver those products. The more you attempt to dictate the terms of your customer’s engagement with your product, the more customers you’ll lose, and by accepting this you’ll open yourself to the reality that if your customer is going to leave your main offering, it’s better to have them hopping to another one of your products as opposed to leaving your network entirely.

Think in terms of depth of engagement, and breadth of experience. That’s clearly what ESPN is doing because conventional thinking would see the Manningcast as a program that competes with the main Monday Night Football broadcast, that cannibalizes it. ESPN sees it as a complimentary experience. An addition to the main broadcast, but it also has the benefit that if the customer feels compelled to jump away from the main broadcast – for whatever reason – it has another ESPN offering that they may land on.

I’ll be watching to see what ESPN decides going forward. The network will have three Monday Night Football doubleheaders beginning next year, and the game times have not been set. Will they line them up back-to-back as they had up until this year? If they do it will be a vote of confidence that its traditional programming approach that evening is still viable. But if they overlap those games going forward, it’s another sign that less is not more when it comes to giving your customers a choice in products.

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Media Noise: Sunday Ticket Has Problems, Marcellus Wiley Does Not

Demetri Ravanos




On this episode of Media Noise, Demetri is joined by Brian Noe to talk about the wild year FS1’s Marcellus Wiley has had and by Garrett Searight to discuss the tumultuous present and bright future of NFL Sunday Ticket.






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