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Blue Wire’s Kevin Jones is Ready to Share Ideas and Strategies

“I think it’s important to interact with all organizations focusing on audio and exchanging ideas and be as collaborative as possible.”

Tyler McComas




On Tuesday, Jason Barrett gave The BSM Summit the official green light. No more guessing. No more speculation. The show is on for March 2 and 3 in New York City.

It’s a relief to many, seeing as so many high-profile names will be in NYC for the event. Some will speak on a panel for their third or even fourth time. Others, such as Kevin Jones, founder and CEO of Blue Wire, will be speaking about their brand for the first time ever. 

There’s a lot of anticipation for what Jones is going to share at The BSM Summit. That’s to be expected when you look at the incredible success Blue Wire is having in the podcast space. That success includes adding several high-profile athletes, both current and retired, to the network and even a partnership with Wynn Resorts and WynnBet to put a podcast studio inside its Las Vegas hotel lobby

Times are really good for Blue Wire and Jones is excited to share ideas with others in New York City to help make everyone better. That’s one of the reasons he decided to attend The BSM Summit. 

“I think it’s important to interact with all organizations focusing on audio and exchanging ideas and be as collaborative as possible,” Jones said. “There’s a lot of partnerships that can be done and a lot of knowledge to share. We definitely like sharing ideas with people.”

Amongst other things, Jones will be speaking about the revenue opportunities that exist in podcast networks that don’t in radio clusters. Needless to say, with so many in the podcast space fighting for dollars, it’ll be a fascinating panel to listen to.

But it will also be interesting to hear Jones talk about Blue Wire and how he managed to strike a deal with Wynn. Having a podcast studio inside of the most renowned hotels in Vegas is no small feat. In fact, the news of it caught the eye of everyone in sports media, especially those in the podcast space. 

How it’s boosted the profile of Blue Wire will be interesting to hear, as well. It’s more than likely going to help draw more national talent, seeing as the network recently added Road Trippin’ with former NBA stars Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye, as well as multiple Emmy winner Allie Clifton. 

A location in Las Vegas has even helped the seven podcasts that regularly record in the Wynn attract big-name guests. Some of those include Mike Krzyzewski stopping by the studio for an interview, as well as Carl Nassib making an appearance to do his first interview after coming out as gay last summer. 

“It’s incredible,” Jones said. “We have a residency in one of the best hotels in Las Vegas. We’re treating it just like we’re Marshmello the DJ or Katy Perry or a comedian. We have seven podcasts that are recorded there regularly. I have five full-timers on the ground and we negotiate deals there.

“It’s not the flagship center of where we create all of our best content, most of our content creators still create it from their home. But we have people there for the NBA Summer League, the NFL Draft, we have people coming for the Pro Bowl this weekend, it’s almost brand marketing for Blue Wire.”

Jones has made it clear that his intention is to openly share new ideas and strategies with others in New York City. Given what Blue Wire has accomplished, that’s fantastic news for others attending The BSM Summit. But when he’s on the stage, what does Jones hope people take away from the panel?

“I hope that people find it entertaining,” he said. “I’m a storyteller at heart, so hopefully we’re able to tell my story and how we got Blue Wire to where it is today, from a little bit of money that I had to 10 million in venture capital and all these athletes. I think there’s a lot of big-timers there and I’m more of a first-timer. I’m happy to share how to go from zero to 60 quickly digitally.”

More than anything, it’ll be refreshing to have The BSM Summit back after it was canceled last year due to Covid. The event is incredibly healthy for our industry, especially when you can feature names such as Jones, who’s open and ready to share unique ideas. That’s why it’s important to have it every single year. To give the opportunity for sports media folks to network and help make the industry better. Everyone leaves The BSM Summit with new and fresh ideas. 

“There’s not enough specialized conferences in sports,” Jones said. “There’s a lot on the sales side. I think exchanging ideas encourages growth for all companies. We’re really all on the same team, because we want to grow and get more people to listen to more sports content. Learning from each other, ultimately, will help each other. “

Who knows, by the time March rolls around, maybe Jones and Blue Wire will have even more news to share about the network. Judging by the past few months, it wouldn’t be a shock if another huge opportunity comes his way before he takes the stage in NYC.

Regardless, having Jones share his thoughts on the podcast space is a great addition to The BSM Summit. 

“I think our style is entrepreneurial,” Jones said. “We’re attracting podcasters who are entrepreneurial in nature and we’ve created a home for entrepreneurs, who want to mostly own their own content.

“We’re working with Richard Jefferson, his brand Road Trippin’ is established. We’re not going to purchase his brand, but we want to work together. We need more national faces and there’s more Chris Longs, Richard Jeffersons, who are really fun, emerging voices that are recently retired and looking to build their audience, themselves, but to have a partner like Blue Wire to help with sales and marketing. It’s a good combination.

“We’re working with Maxx Crosby from the Raiders, Lolo Jones, we’re working with all these Tik Tok personalities, it’s definitely been a big climb. What’s exciting to me is we’re trying to make a huge menu. When I go on Amazon or Netflix or any platform, I’m going for new content or content that I like. As we expand our offerings, we’re just attracting a bigger audience.”

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The Future Is Now, Embrace Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible.

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This week has been a reckoning for sports and its streaming future on Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+, ESPN+, and more.

Amazon announced that Thursday Night Football, which averaged 13 million viewers, generated the highest number of U.S. sign ups over a three hour period in the app’s history. More people in the United States subscribed to Prime during the September 15th broadcast than they did during Black Friday, Prime Day, and Cyber Monday. It was also “the most watched night of primetime in Prime Video’s history,” according to Amazon executive Jay Marine. The NFL and sports in general have the power to move mountains even for some of the nation’s biggest and most successful brands.

This leads us to the conversation happening surrounding Aaron Judge’s chase for history. Judge has been in pursuit of former major leaguer Roger Maris’ record for the most home runs hit during one season in American League history.

The sports world has turned its attention to the Yankees causing national rights holders such as ESPN, Fox, and TBS to pick up extra games in hopes that they capture the moment history is made. Apple TV+ also happened to have a Yankees game scheduled for Friday night against the Red Sox right in the middle of this chase for glory.

Baseball fans have been wildin’ out at the prospects of missing the grand moment when Judge passes Maris or even the moments afterwards as Judge chases home run number 70 and tries to truly create monumental history of his own. The New York Post’s Andrew Marchand has even reported there were talks between YES, MLB, and Apple to bring Michael Kay into Apple’s broadcast to call the game, allow YES Network to air its own production of the game, or allow YES Network to simulcast Apple TV+’s broadcast. In my opinion, all of this hysteria is extremely bogus.

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible. Amazon brought in NBC to help with production of TNF and if you watch the flow of the broadcast, the graphics of the broadcast, NBC personalities like Michael Smith, Al Michaels, and Terry McAuliffe make appearances on the telecast – it is very clear that the network’s imprint is all over the show.

NBC’s experience in conducting the broadcast has made the viewing experience much more seamless. Apple has also used MLB Network and its personalities for assistance in ensuring there’s no major difference between what you see on air vs. what you’re streaming.

Amazon and Apple have also decided to not hide their games behind a paywall. Since the beginning of the season, all of Apple’s games have been available free of charge. No subscription has ever been required. As long as you have an Apple device and can download Apple TV+, you can watch their MLB package this season.

Guess what? Friday’s game against the Red Sox is also available for free on your iPhone, your laptop, or your TV simply by downloading the AppleTV app. Amazon will also simulcast all Thursday Night Football games on Twitch for free. It may be a little harder or confusing to find the free options, but they are out there and they are legal and, once again, they are free.

Apple has invested $85 million into baseball, money that will go towards your team becoming better hypothetically. They’ve invested money towards creating a new kind of streaming experience. Why in the hell would they offer YES Network this game for free? There’s no better way for them to drive subscriptions to their product than by offering fans a chance at watching history on their platform.

A moment like this are the main reason Apple paid for rights in the first place. When Apple sees what the NFL has done for Amazon in just one week and coincidentally has the ability to broadcast one of the biggest moments in baseball history – it would be a terrible business decision to let viewers watch it outside of the Apple ecosystem and lose the ability to gain new fans.

It’s time for sports fans to grow up and face reality. Streaming is here to stay. 

MLB Network is another option

If you don’t feel like going through the hassle of watching the Yankees take on the Red Sox for free on Apple TV+, MLB Network will also air all of Judge’s at bats live as they are happening. In case the moment doesn’t happen on Apple TV+ on Friday night, Judge’s next games will air in full on MLB Network (Saturday), ESPN (Sunday), MLB Network again (Monday), TBS (Tuesday) and MLB Network for a third time on Wednesday. All of MLB Network’s games will be simulcast of YES Network’s local New York broadcast. It wouldn’t shock me to see Fox pick up another game next Thursday if the pursuit still maintains national interest.

Quick bites

  • One of the weirdest things about the experience of streaming sports is that you lose the desire to channel surf. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Brandon Ross of LightShed Ventures wonders if the difficulty that comes with going from app to app will help Amazon keep viewers on TNF the entire time no matter what the score of the game is. If it does, Amazon needs to work on developing programming to surround the games or start replaying the games, pre and post shows so that when you fall asleep and wake up you’re still on the same stream on Prime Video or so that coming to Prime Video for sports becomes just as much of a habit for fans as tuning in to ESPN is.
  • CNN has announced the launch of a new morning show with Don Lemon, Poppy Harlow and Kaitlin Collins. Variety reports, “Two people familiar with plans for the show say it is likely to use big Warner Bros. properties — a visit from the cast of HBO’s Succession or sports analysis from TNT’s NBA crew — to lure eyeballs.” It’ll be interesting to see if Turner Sports becomes a cornerstone of this broadcast. Will the NBA start doing schedule releases during the show? Will a big Taylor Rooks interview debut on this show before it appears on B/R? Will the Stanley Cup or Final Four MVP do an interview on CNN’s show the morning after winning the title? Does the show do remote broadcasts from Turner’s biggest sports events throughout the year?
  • The Clippers are back on over the air television. They announced a deal with Nexstar to broadcast games on KTLA and other Nexstar owned affiliates in California. The team hasn’t reached a deal to air games on Bally Sports SoCal or Bally Sports Plus for the upcoming season. Could the Clippers pursue a solo route and start their own OTT service in time for the season? Are they talking to Apple, Amazon, or ESPN about a local streaming deal? Is Spectrum a possible destination? I think these are all possibilities but its likely that the Clippers end up back on Bally Sports since its the status quo. I just find it interesting that it has taken so long to solidify an agreement and that it wasn’t announced in conjunction with the KTLA deal. The Clippers are finally healthy this season, moving into a new arena soon, have the technology via Second Spectrum to produce immersive game casts. Maybe something is brewing?
  • ESPN’s Monday Night Football double box was a great concept. The execution sucked. Kudos to ESPN for adjusting on the fly once complaints began to lodge across social media. I think the double box works as a separate feed. ESPN2 should’ve been the home to the double box. SVP and Stanford Steve could’ve held a watch party from ESPN’s DC studio with special guests. The double box watch party on ESPN2 could’ve been interrupted whenever SVP was giving an update on games for ESPN and ABC. It would give ESPN2 a bit of a behind the scenes look at how the magic happens similarly to what MLB Tonight did last week. Credit to ESPN and the NFL for experimenting and continuing to try and give fans unique experiences.

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ESPN Shows Foresight With Monday Night Football Doubleheader Timing

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7 and then 10 on their primary channel.

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The Monday Night Football doubleheader was a little bit different this time around for ESPN.

First, it came in Week 2 instead of Week 1. And then, the games were staggered 75 minutes apart on two different channels, the Titans and Bills beginning on ESPN at 7:15 PM ET and the Vikings at the Eagles starting at 8:30 PM on ABC and ESPN+. This was a departure from the usual schedule in which the games kicked off at 7:00 PM ET and then 10:00 PM ET with the latter game on the West Coast.

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7:00 PM and then 10:00 PM ET on their primary channel. That’s the typical approach, right? The NFL is the most valuable offering in all of sports and ESPN would have at least six consecutive hours of live programming without any other game to switch to.

Instead, they staggered the starts so the second game kicked off just before the first game reached halftime. They placed the games on two different channels, which risked cannibalizing their audience. Why? Well, it’s the same reason that ESPN was so excited about the last year’s Manningcast that it’s bringing it back for 10 weeks this season. ESPN is not just recognizing the reality of how their customers behave, but they’re embracing it.

Instead of hoping with everything they have that the customer stays in one place for the duration of the game, they’re recognizing the reality that they will leave and providing another product within their portfolio to be a destination when they do.

It’s the kind of experiment everyone in broadcasting should be investigating because, for all the talk about meeting the customer where they are, we still tend to be a little bit stubborn about adapting to what they do. 

Customers have more choices than ever when it comes to media consumption. First, cable networks softened the distribution advantages of broadcast networks, and now digital offerings have eroded the distribution advantages of cable networks. It’s not quite a free-for-all, but the battle for viewership is more intense, more wide open than ever because that viewer has so many options of not just when and where but how they will consume media.

Programmers have a choice in how to react to this. On the one hand, they can hold on tighter to the existing model and try to squeeze as much out of it as they can. If ESPN was thinking this way it would stack those two Monday night games one after the other just like it always has and hope like hell for a couple of close games to juice the ratings. Why would you make it impossible for your customer to watch both of these products you’ve paid so much to televise?

I’ve heard radio programmers and hosts recite take this same approach for more than 10 years now when it comes to making shows available on-demand. Why would you give your customers the option of consuming the product in a way that’s not as remunerative or in a way that is not measured?

That thinking is outdated and it is dangerous from an economic perspective because it means you’re trying to make the customer behave in your best interest by restricting their choices. And maybe that will work. Maybe they like that program enough that they’ll consume it in the way you’d prefer or maybe they decide that’s inconvenient or annoying or they decide to try something else and now this customer who would have listened to your product in an on-demand format is choosing to listen to someone else’s product entirely.

After all, you’re the only one that is restricting that customer’s choices because you’re the only one with a desire to keep your customer where he is. Everyone else is more than happy to give your customer something else. 

There’s a danger in holding on too tightly to the existing model because the tighter you squeeze, the more customers will slip through your fingers, and if you need a physical demonstration to complete this metaphor go grab a handful of sand and squeeze it hard.

Your business model is only as good as its ability to predict the behavior of your customers, and as soon as it stops doing that, you need to adjust that business model. Don’t just recognize the reality that customers today will exercise the freedom that all these media choices provide, embrace it.

Offer more products. Experiment with more ways to deliver those products. The more you attempt to dictate the terms of your customer’s engagement with your product, the more customers you’ll lose, and by accepting this you’ll open yourself to the reality that if your customer is going to leave your main offering, it’s better to have them hopping to another one of your products as opposed to leaving your network entirely.

Think in terms of depth of engagement, and breadth of experience. That’s clearly what ESPN is doing because conventional thinking would see the Manningcast as a program that competes with the main Monday Night Football broadcast, that cannibalizes it. ESPN sees it as a complimentary experience. An addition to the main broadcast, but it also has the benefit that if the customer feels compelled to jump away from the main broadcast – for whatever reason – it has another ESPN offering that they may land on.

I’ll be watching to see what ESPN decides going forward. The network will have three Monday Night Football doubleheaders beginning next year, and the game times have not been set. Will they line them up back-to-back as they had up until this year? If they do it will be a vote of confidence that its traditional programming approach that evening is still viable. But if they overlap those games going forward, it’s another sign that less is not more when it comes to giving your customers a choice in products.

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Media Noise: Sunday Ticket Has Problems, Marcellus Wiley Does Not

Demetri Ravanos




On this episode of Media Noise, Demetri is joined by Brian Noe to talk about the wild year FS1’s Marcellus Wiley has had and by Garrett Searight to discuss the tumultuous present and bright future of NFL Sunday Ticket.






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