It was 9:00 on the evening of November 30th of 2021, when Travis Davidson logged on to host his first-ever Twitter Space. His idea was simple. Lincoln Riley had just left Oklahoma for USC two days before. Travis wanted to host a Twitter Space to let OU fans sound off with their thoughts and hear the latest rumors on the coaching news. Thus, OU Rumors and News was born.
Davidson had a basic understanding of how Twitter Spaces worked, but like everyone at the time, it was still a relatively unknown outlet.
“They were almost like a book club, where people just sat around in the afternoon and talked,” said Davidson of the Twitter Spaces he had listened to.
So he had an idea on how he was going to run OU Rumors and News. He was going to run it like a radio show. He would serve as the host, bring on a couple of co-hosts and the thousands of people listening would have to request to speak. Almost like taking a phone call over the air. It was organized and it immediately worked.
“It was a very high time for social media because people were looking for coaching search news and to bash Lincoln Riley,” Davidson said. “The first night we went from 9 pm to 5 am. Over 2,000 people joined. We were the largest Twitter Space on the app for four nights in a row.
“The second night I got several messages asking if I was going to do it again. So we did. It was 1:00 am and I was so tired but there were 1,500 people in it and the conversation was going well. I really needed to go to bed. So I kept myself on mute. If the host shuts it down, it shuts down the whole space. I didn’t want to be so selfish and shut it down because I was tired. So I went to sleep and just let the space run. I woke up at 8:00 am and there were still over 300 in the space and all of us were sleeping.”
George Foreman joined the Twitter Space, along with former OU players and even journalists from all over the world. There’s even a story where a recruit’s dad joined OU Rumors and News to see how the fanbase spoke about its players and coaches. He was blown away by the attitude of the fans, compared to the other spaces he had dropped in on. His son ultimately signed with the Sooners.
“I think at this point a lot of people were so new to Twitter Spaces, I think they were trying to learn how they could use them,” Davidson said. “It was great for journalists because they could get a scoop by just listening to other people.”
Needless to say, Davidson’s dive into Twitter Spaces was a massive success. For two weeks straight, thousands would join to listen to the latest rumors and updates on the OU football program. The Wall Street Journal and ESPN.com even wrote about Davidson and the incredible online success he was having. But someone else noticed, too. It just so happened to be the radio station I work at, The REF in the Oklahoma City market.
What started as a radio hit to talk about the success of his Twitter Spaces, as well as Lincoln Riley moving to Los Angeles without giving Davidson his two smokers back, led to a weekly spot on our station, which led to an opportunity to co-host the postgame show of the OU Spring Game, which has now led to an opportunity to co-host with me every Friday from 3-6 pm during the offseason, starting on May 13th. All of it came in the span of about five months.
He’s a shining example of the new era of sports media. If you’re willing to look outside of the traditional box for new talent, you can find some extraordinary people. For people that have made their name on Twitter or digital platforms, there’s never been a better time to get discovered by a traditional platform such as radio.
Bunkie Perkins is a Twitter account that’s synonymous with the humorous side of college football. He also tweets about golf, pro wrestling and Ole Miss. With over 43,000 followers, he’s an incredible following on social media. In 2016, Tony Kornheiser even mentioned the account on an episode of PTI.
Before the Twitter account started, the man behind the Bunkie Perkins Twitter account had a sports blog. It had a decent following, which would soon follow to social media.
“So I had, I don’t know if you want to call it a built-in following, but some people that followed me,” Perkins said. “It’s just grown organically. Honestly, I don’t really care about this point. It’s great for what it is, and it’s also not great for what it is. I just try to find a happy medium somewhere in there.”
He has a job outside of sports meda that’s completely unrelated. Truthfully, he does the Twitter account strictly for fun and entertainment. There’s no hard push for it to turn into another professional opportunity.
“I get asked to go on radio shows and do podcasts, but at this point, I’ll really only do it if it’s a friend of mine,” Perkins said. “I think the most fruitful thing that’s come out of my account is legitimate friends that I’ve made. A great example is I’m currently in Eugene, OR going to play golf with the guys of No Laying Up. We started an online friendship that has resulted in us hanging out several times a year and playing golf. That is more important for me.”
Davidson and Perkins have both built an incredible following but have different preferences as to what they want to get out of it. Whereas Davidson is ready to chase down his new passion for sports radio, Perkins is more interested in making potential friendships and not taking the app too seriously.
Davidson will excel in sports radio. I’ve done enough weekly spots with him to know he’s a great fit for our station, but I was blown away when we hosted the two-hour postgame show together after the OU Spring Game. In an honest attempt to not inflate his ego or pump up the recent hire made by my station, we meshed immediately and he asked great questions to the numerous guests we had on-site. He’s informed, but he also has a great on-air presence.
How does a guy that doesn’t have radio experience just show up on the air and be great? Did hosting the Twitter Space have a huge impact on that?
“I think the Twitter Spaces absolutely helped,” said Davidson. “ It was my training to get into radio, because of the way I ran it. I ran it specifically like a talk show. I was the host and had a couple of co-hosts and I was steering the show. It got to the point where people in the administration were contacting me and asking to steer the conversion away from Lincoln Riley and more towards Bob Stoops and the positivity around the program. They knew I had the ear of the fanbase. That was definitely a part of my training.
“Secondly, I feel like I just consume a lot of media. One of my favorite interviewers is Sean Evans with Hot Ones. I think he may be the best interviewer there is. I tend to gravitate towards people who are really good interviewers or entertaining on the air. I think it’s rubbed off, just because that’s what I like to consume.”
But why radio? Davidson could have easily started a YouTube show by himself or taken his talents to a larger digital forum. What’s his draw to sports radio?
“I enjoy speaking with informed people,” said Davidson. “Most of my sports discussions happen on Twitter. Not a ton of people on Twitter are informed about the argument, because a lot of them are in more of your listener category. They are on Twitter to be informed. It’s a lot of swimming through the mud, this guy really knows what he’s talking about, let’s walk out some theories with this guy, I can learn from this guy, all that kind of stuff.
“Secondly, Twitter is like a microwave. Your points have to be quick and catch on. That’s why hot takes live on Twitter. There’s a character limit. With radio, it’s more of an oven. It’s a whole cooked meal. The microwave is good for popcorn, but if you want the Sunday roast, you want to let it cook. Radio gives you the time to have a really good argument and have really good points.”
Regardless of what comes their way, Davidson won’t stop his OU Rumors and News Twitter Spaces and Perkins won’t stop cracking hilarious jokes on Twitter. Well, unless one particular thing happens.
“I have a running gag about Houston Nutt and I’ve always said the day he gets a coaching job is the day I leave Twitter,” said Perkins. “I can take it or leave it a little bit at this point, I enjoy it, especially during sporting events and it’s fun to keep up with it while you’re watching games, or if something crazy happens. At some point, you get Twitter fatigued. I like to be funny. I think I’m relatively funny and I follow a lot of people that are relatively funny. If I come up with a joke and tweet it out and if certain people like it, that’s all the Twitter fulfillment I need.”
Tyler McComas is a columnist for BSM and a sports radio talk show host in Norman, OK where he hosts afternoon drive for SportsTalk 1400. You can find him on Twitter @Tyler_McComas or you can email him at TylerMcComas08@yahoo.com.
Jason Barrett Podcast – Terry Dugan & Adam Delevitt, BetRivers
Sportsbooks are creating their own media now, and no company is doing that using more guys that have made their names on sports radio than BetRivers. Terry Dugan & Adam Delevitt talk about the strategy behind that decision for today and for the future.
Jason Barrett is the owner and operator of Barrett Sports Media. Prior to launching BSM he served as a sports radio programmer, launching brands such as 95.7 The Game in San Francisco and 101 ESPN in St. Louis. He has also produced national shows for ESPN Radio including GameNight and the Dan Patrick Show. You can find him on Twitter @SportsRadioPD or reach him by email at JBarrett@sportsradiopd.com.
Joe Rogan Betting Admission Reveals Gray Area
Rogan’s admission raises a question as to just how ethical it is to place bets with insider information, and whether it should be legal or not.
For nearly a decade, I’ve been fortunate enough to cover the football and basketball programs for the University of Kentucky in some form or fashion. Whether writing for blogs or working with ESPN Louisville as co-host of the post-game show, I’ve gotten to know people around the program I grew up supporting, and other individuals in the media doing the same. I’ve made some terrific friendships and cultivated quite a few relationships that provide me with “inside information” about the teams.
As an avid sports bettor, that information has sometimes put me into some difficult personal situations. There have been times when I’ve been alerted to player news that wasn’t public, such as a player dealing with an injury or suspension. It’s often been told to me off-the-record, and I’ve never put that information out publicly or given it to others.
I wish I could also say I’ve never placed a wager based on that information, but that would be a lie. While it’s been a long time since I’ve done so, I’ve ventured into that ethical gray area of betting on a team that I’m covering. I’ve long felt uncomfortable doing so, and I’d say it’s been a few years since I last did it.
At least I know I’m not alone. On his latest episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Rogan told guest Bert Kreischer that earlier in his UFC broadcasting career he regularly bet on fights. He claims to have won nearly 85% of the time (which I highly doubt but that’s another discussion for another time), either via bets he made or ones he gave to a business partner to place on his behalf.
From his comments, Rogan doesn’t seem to have been using sensitive information to gain an edge with the books, but he also didn’t state that he didn’t. He indicates that much of his success stemmed from knowing quite a bit more about fighters coming from overseas, and he said he “knew who they were and I would gamble on them.”
But Rogan undoubtedly has long been in a position where he knows which fighters might be dealing with a slight injury, or who are struggling in camp with a specific fighting style. It’s unavoidable for someone whose job puts him into contact with individuals who tell him things off-the-record and divulge details without perhaps even realizing it.
But let’s say Rogan did get that information, and did use it, and was still doing so today. The fact is…there’s nothing illegal about it, not in the United States at least. While it’s against the rules of some entities — the NFL, for example, has stated they could suspend or ban for life individuals who use inside information or provide it to others — it’s not against any established legal doctrine. Unlike playing the stock market, insider betting is not regulated by any central body or by the government.
However, Rogan’s admission raises a question as to just how ethical it is to place bets with insider information, and whether it should be legal or not. Many of the after-the-fact actions that have been taken in the realm of legalized sports betting in this country, or those being discussed currently (such as advertising limitations), fall in line with changes made in Great Britain following their legalization.
One of their big changes was making it illegal to utilize insider information, with very specific definitions about the “misuse of information” and what steps the Gambling Commission may take. It lays out what information can be used, the punishments that may be levied, and at what point it might venture into criminality.
Sportsbooks do have recourse in some instances to recoup money on insider betting, but not many. If they can prove that a wage was influenced, they can cancel the bet or sue for the money. The most well-known instance is the individual who bet $50,000 at +750 odds that someone would streak on the field during Super Bowl LV –which he did– and then was denied the payout when he bragged about his exploits. But unless someone foolishly tells the books that they’ve taken them with information that the public wasn’t privy to, they have little to no chance of doing anything about it.
There are ramifications to insider betting that raise truly ethical dilemmas. Just like stock trading, information can be immeasurably valuable to those with stakes large enough to change prices. If I’m placing a $20 prop bet with the knowledge that a team’s starting running back might be out for a game, or dealing with an ankle injury, I’m not going to harm anybody else playing that line. But if I give that information to a shark, who places a $20,000 wager on that same line, I’ve now enabled someone to move a line and impact other bettors.
Online sports betting in this country continues to grow, and every day we are reminded that there are still aspects of the space that can feel like the wild west. As individuals in the media, we have to decide personally what our ethical stances are in situations like this. We also have to keep in mind the impact that betting can have on our biases–especially if we’ve bet using inside information. A prime example is Kirk Herbstreit, who won’t even make a pick on College Gameday for games he is going to be doing color commentary for lest he possibly appears biased on the call.
At one end of the spectrum, you have someone like Herbstreit, and on the other end, you have folks like Rogan who, while he no longer does so, was more than happy to not only wager on fights himself but gave the information to others. And in the middle, you have hundreds of people in similar situations, who might lean one way or another or who, like me, may have found themselves on either side of that ethical line.
There is no black or white answer here, nor am I saying there’s necessarily a right or wrong stance for anybody in the sports media industry to take. I would say that each person has to take stock of what they’re comfortable doing, and how they feel about insider information being used. Rogan didn’t break any rules or laws by gambling on the UFC, but his admission to doing so might be the catalyst towards it no longer being accepted.
Jason Ence resides in Louisville, KY and is fully invested in the sports betting space. Additionally, he covers Premier League and Serie A soccer, college football, and college basketball for ESPN Louisville 680 including serving as the station’s University of Kentucky correspondent, and co-host of the UK football and basketball post-game shows. He can be found on Twitter @JasonUK17 and reached by email at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Grading How the Networks Handled the Tua Concussion Discussion
Rex Ryan, Rodney Harrison, and Boomer Esiason stood out with their commentary on the Tagovailoa story.
The major story going into the bulk of Week 4’s NFL action on Sunday was the concussion suffered by Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa in Thursday’s game versus the Cincinnati Bengals.
Amazon’s Thursday Night Football telecast, particularly its halftime show, faced heavy criticism for neglecting to mention that Tagovailoa had been tested for a concussion in his previous game just four days earlier. Additionally, the NFL Players Association called for an investigation into whether or not the league’s concussion protocols were followed properly in evaluating Tagovailoa.
In light of that, how would the Sunday NFL pregame shows address the Tagovailoa concussion situation? Would they better inform viewers by covering the full story, including the Week 3 controversy over whether or not proper protocols were followed?
We watched each of the four prominent pregame shows — ESPN’s Sunday NFL Countdown, Fox NFL Sunday, CBS’s The NFL Today, and NBC’s Football Night in America — to compare how the Tagovailoa story was covered. With the benefit of two extra days to research and report, did the Sunday shows do a better job of informing and engaging viewers?
Here’s how the pregame studio crews performed with what could be the most important NFL story of the year:
Sunday NFL Countdown – ESPN
ESPN’s pregame show is the first to hit the air each Sunday, broadcasting at 10 a.m. ET. So the Sunday NFL Countdown crew had the opportunity to lead the conversation for the day. With a longer, three-hour show and more resources to utilize in covering a story like this, ESPN took full advantage of its position.
The show did not lead off with the Tagovailoa story, opting to lay out Sunday’s schedule, which included an early game in London between the Minnesota Vikings and New Orleans Saints. But the Countdown crew eventually got to issue on everyone’s minds approximately 28 minutes into the program.
Insider Adam Schefter provided the latest on the NFL and NFLPA’s investigation into the matter, particularly the “gross motor instability” Tagovailoa displayed in stumbling on the field and how the Dolphins initially announced that the quarterback had suffered a head injury, but later changed his condition to a back injury.
Schefter added that the NFL and NFLPA were expected to interview Tagovailoa and pass new guidelines for concussion protocols, including that no player displaying “gross motor instability” will be allowed to play. Those new rules could go into effect as early as Week 5.
“This is an epic fail by the NFL,” said Matt Hasselbeck to begin the commentary. “This is an epic fail by the medical staff, epic fail by everybody! Let’s learn from it!”
Perhaps the strongest remarks came from Rex Ryan, who said coaches sometimes need to protect players from themselves.
“I had a simple philosophy as a coach: I treated every player like my son,” Ryan said. “Would you put your son back in that game after you saw that?
“Forget this ‘back and ankle’ BS that we heard about! This is clearly from head trauma! That’s it. I know what it looks like. We all know what it looks like.”
Where Sunday NFL Countdown‘s coverage may have stood out the most was by bringing injury analyst Stephania Bell into the discussion. Bell took a wider view of the story, explaining that concussions had to be treated in the long-term and short-term. Science needs to advance; a definitive diagnostic tool for brain injury doesn’t currently exist. Until then, a more conservative approach has to be taken, holding players out of action more often.
Grade: A. Countdown covered the story thoroughly. But to be fair, it had the most time.
The NFL Today – CBS
CBS’s pregame show led off with the Tagovailoa story, going right to insider Jonathan Jones to report. He cited the key phrase “gross motor instability” as a significant indication of a concussion.
Jones also clarified that the unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant who helped evaluate Tagovailoa made “several mistakes” in consulting with the Dolphins’ team doctor, leading to his dismissal by the NFL and NFLPA.
The most pointed remarks came from Boomer Esiason, who said any insinuation that the Dolphins, head coach Mike McDaniel, or the team medical staff put Tagovailoa back in the game in order to win was “off-base.” Phil Simms added that the concussion experts he spoke with indicated that Tagovailoa could miss four to six weeks with this injury.
Grade: B-. The opinions from the analysts were largely bland. Jones’s reporting stood out.
Fox NFL Sunday
The Fox NFL pregame show also led off with the Tagovailoa story, reviewing the questions surrounding how the quarterback was treated in Week 3 before recapping his injury during Week 4’s game.
Jay Glazer reported on the NFL’s investigation, focusing on whether or not Tagovailoa suffered a concussion in Week 3. And if he did, why was he allowed to play in Week 4? Glazer noted that Tagovailoa could seek a second, maybe a third medical opinion on his injury.
Jimmy Johnson provided the most compelling commentary, sharing his perspective from the coaching side of the situation. He pointed out that when an injured player comes off the field, the coach has no contact with him. The medical team provides an update on whether or not the player can return. In Johnson’s view, Mike McDaniel did nothing wrong in his handling of the matter. He has to trust his medical staff.
Grade: B. Each of the analysts shared stronger opinions, particularly in saying a player failing “the eyeball test” with concussion symptoms should be treated seriously.
Football Night in America – NBC
Sunday Night Football was in a different setting than the other pregame shows, with Maria Taylor, Tony Dungy, and Rodney Harrison broadcasting on-site from Tampa Bay. With that, the show led off by covering the aftermath of Hurricane Ian, its effects on the Tampa area, and how the Buccaneers dealt with the situation during the week.
But after 20 minutes, the show got into the Tagovailoa story with Mike Florio reporting what his peers told viewers earlier in the day regarding pending changes to the NFL’s concussion protocol and “gross motor instability” being used as a major indicator.
Florio emphasized that the NFLPA would ask how Tagovailoa was examined and treated. Was he actually examined for a back injury in Week 3? And if he indeed suffered a back injury, why was he still allowed to play?
When the conversation went back to the on-site crew, Dungy admitted that playing Thursday night games always concerned him when he was a coach. He disclosed that teams playing a Thursday game needed to have a bye the previous week so they didn’t have to deal with a quick, four-day turnaround. That scheduling needs to be addressed for player safety.
But Harrison had the most engaging reaction to the story, coming from his experience as a player. He admitted telling doctors that he was fine when suffering concussion symptoms because he wanted to get back in the game. Knowing that was wrong, Harrison pleaded with current players to stay on the sidelines when hurt because “CTE takes you to a dark place.”
“It’s not worth it. Please take care of yourself,” said Harrison. “Don’t depend on the NFL. Don’t depend on anybody. If something’s wrong with your head, report it.”
Grade: B+. Dungy and Harrison’s views of the matter from their perspective as a coach and player were very compelling.
Ian Casselberry is a sports media columnist for BSM. He has previously written and edited for Awful Announcing, The Comeback, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo Sports, MLive, Bleacher Report, and SB Nation. You can find him on Twitter @iancass or reach him by email at email@example.com.